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Sirknight67
2005-07-26 20:37:31 UTC
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Deev jan

several times you have posted responses that sort of surprised me,
coming from you. In a nutshell, you say that islam is no longer what it
was, that it is now corrupt, an dthat it was once good because people
accepted it.
You couldn't be further away from the truth. I am surprised that you, a
former muslim and now a practitioner of Bahaism would say something
like this. First of all, the fact tthat you converted out of Islam,
like I did, means that you obviously saw things wrong with it that did
not appeal to you and that you searched for something better (anything
is better in fact).

You assume that at some point, islam was something good because as you
put it, your coutnrymen are intelligent and they would not make a
choice if that choice didn't make sense. Once again, you are far from
the actual fact.

If you look at the history of the way islam was spread in Iran (then
persia), you will see that there were three types of conversions:

1) Conversions by the sword an dby force, that started from Qom in the
7th cnetury, all the way to conversion by force of northern Yazdi
villages in the 19th century

2) Conversions of opportunism such as Saman Khoda, founder of the
Samanid dynasty who converted to thank his arab patron and governor of
Khorassan for helping him fight another fellow Zoroastrian persian and
take over his possessions and villages, or cases such as Mazyar Karen
who "converted" so to speak because he was dispossed of his lands by
Shahryar Bavand and unless he received aid from the Caliph in term so
ftroops and money, he would have been a homeless bum, like Pacifist.
Then there were the Buyid brothers hwose father converted to Islam in
order to secure a favorable position in the army and with the Caliph.
There were the "conversion" of traitors like a Sassanian elite unite
guard of Asavaran led by Syah, who didn't even know about islam or
koran and yet joined the arabs, demanded to be paid 2,500 Derham
(higher than arab warriors!), and be given the land of those enemies
they fought.
There was the "conversion" of Marzban Farrokhan who joined the arabs to
get thelands of the familly and nobles that opposed his accession to
power etc...

3) conversions for reasons of faith, being in the tiniest minority.
If islam had truly inspired the majoirty of Persians, it would not have
taken 3-4 centuries for the population of Persia to pass the 50%
mohammedan bar. Droves of Zoroastrians would have answered Salman Pars'
call to beocme mohammedan, which they did not, just like the millions
of soldiers, civilians, farmers etc...who accoridng to historical
records, opted to pay poll tax instead of converting.

Now if you did just a tiny bit of research instead of relying on the
goodwill of your fellow countrymen who are composed of a great numner
of opportunists and asshole followers and motherwhoring douche bags
that jump on any band wagon to serve their own interests and personal
ambitions, you would see that Islam was IMPOSED by force of arms on
Iran.

Now this decadence of islam that you claim took place...well look at
the koran and Hadiths. These are NOTHING NEW. They have been in palce
for at least 1,000 years and Islamic sharia has been imposed with
brutality since then, only you don't know about it. You are assuming
that at one point Islam made sense and now, it's been corrupted.

CAN YOU PROVE THIS BY ANY MEANS AT ALL?
I doubt you can because you see aziz, islam's WORD has been the same
then as now so to make such an assumption would require proof that the
texts and scriptures were wonderful and dandy at one point and someone
came and corrupted them or misinterpreted them. That is not the case.
These texts were not altered and thus, you are totally wrong in
assuming that there ever was anything in islam but the pile of shit you
see thse scum mohammedan sons of whores spew before the media each day.


So please, please, stop wtih the politically correct stuff will you? We
don't need to blow smoke up the ass of these motherwhoring mohammedans,
let's say it as it REALLY IS. I am tired of people trying to appease
and downplay what islam really is: a hatefilled, prejudiced and brutal
cult of rape, murder and theft.
Deev
2005-07-26 23:02:44 UTC
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Sir doost gerami

I am glad you finally saw this, I was hoping someone would notice it.

My reason is simple, Islam today as practiced by the greater majority of its
adherents is full of crap and nothing but superstition, dogma and hypocrisy.

I agree with all your points 1, 2 and 3.

But my reason for making the comments I do and have done is different, I
think that a) It could not have sustained its growth unless it was divine in
nature, b) it could not maintain converts if it was unjust all the time and
did not help society and c) I give our ancestors credit for keeping the
faith in spite of the foreign nature that it did have.
In other words, we have been strong enough under various shah's to pull away
or convert back to Zoroastrianism or anything else for that matter, but did
not do so. So As a nation we kept it, with some trepidation, because we felt
a divinity in it.

Finally , if it was not divine in origin and inspiration, it could not have
built a civilization of equals that have left tremendous legacy or impact on
our world today. Every letter we type on the computer has the legacy of
Islam in it.
The Arabs with all their stupidity and ignorance can not pull up their own
pants, have always been dominated by Persians, Turks, Europeans . How is it
possible that they could have been able to sustain such a global impact on
the world unless it had some divine inspiration? Any way I look at it, to me
at least , I see that to be evident .

I also believe because it became corrupt, degenerated and became far removed
form its origin, Faggot Jahel is a perfect example of its present followers,
the holy wind that supported it stopped and it has fallen into an abyss of
darkness and people see it for what its followers are doing.
The apologetics keep trying to revive its former glory by interpreting its
verses, in such a way that it completely back fires when confronted with
comments like yours.

In closing, I do believe it was Devine in origin, I also believe it is
nothing today like it was previously when it made so many contributions to
civilization.( This does not mean by the way that all those who contributed
where in fact Arab, but rather they did infact believe the words of Mohammad
to be heavenly and nothing more.
Post by Sirknight67
Deev jan
several times you have posted responses that sort of surprised me,
coming from you. In a nutshell, you say that islam is no longer what it
was, that it is now corrupt, an dthat it was once good because people
accepted it.
You couldn't be further away from the truth. I am surprised that you, a
former muslim and now a practitioner of Bahaism would say something
like this. First of all, the fact tthat you converted out of Islam,
like I did, means that you obviously saw things wrong with it that did
not appeal to you and that you searched for something better (anything
is better in fact).
You assume that at some point, islam was something good because as you
put it, your coutnrymen are intelligent and they would not make a
choice if that choice didn't make sense. Once again, you are far from
the actual fact.
If you look at the history of the way islam was spread in Iran (then
1) Conversions by the sword an dby force, that started from Qom in the
7th cnetury, all the way to conversion by force of northern Yazdi
villages in the 19th century
2) Conversions of opportunism such as Saman Khoda, founder of the
Samanid dynasty who converted to thank his arab patron and governor of
Khorassan for helping him fight another fellow Zoroastrian persian and
take over his possessions and villages, or cases such as Mazyar Karen
who "converted" so to speak because he was dispossed of his lands by
Shahryar Bavand and unless he received aid from the Caliph in term so
ftroops and money, he would have been a homeless bum, like Pacifist.
Then there were the Buyid brothers hwose father converted to Islam in
order to secure a favorable position in the army and with the Caliph.
There were the "conversion" of traitors like a Sassanian elite unite
guard of Asavaran led by Syah, who didn't even know about islam or
koran and yet joined the arabs, demanded to be paid 2,500 Derham
(higher than arab warriors!), and be given the land of those enemies
they fought.
There was the "conversion" of Marzban Farrokhan who joined the arabs to
get thelands of the familly and nobles that opposed his accession to
power etc...
3) conversions for reasons of faith, being in the tiniest minority.
If islam had truly inspired the majoirty of Persians, it would not have
taken 3-4 centuries for the population of Persia to pass the 50%
mohammedan bar. Droves of Zoroastrians would have answered Salman Pars'
call to beocme mohammedan, which they did not, just like the millions
of soldiers, civilians, farmers etc...who accoridng to historical
records, opted to pay poll tax instead of converting.
Now if you did just a tiny bit of research instead of relying on the
goodwill of your fellow countrymen who are composed of a great numner
of opportunists and asshole followers and motherwhoring douche bags
that jump on any band wagon to serve their own interests and personal
ambitions, you would see that Islam was IMPOSED by force of arms on
Iran.
Now this decadence of islam that you claim took place...well look at
the koran and Hadiths. These are NOTHING NEW. They have been in palce
for at least 1,000 years and Islamic sharia has been imposed with
brutality since then, only you don't know about it. You are assuming
that at one point Islam made sense and now, it's been corrupted.
CAN YOU PROVE THIS BY ANY MEANS AT ALL?
I doubt you can because you see aziz, islam's WORD has been the same
then as now so to make such an assumption would require proof that the
texts and scriptures were wonderful and dandy at one point and someone
came and corrupted them or misinterpreted them. That is not the case.
These texts were not altered and thus, you are totally wrong in
assuming that there ever was anything in islam but the pile of shit you
see thse scum mohammedan sons of whores spew before the media each day.
So please, please, stop wtih the politically correct stuff will you? We
don't need to blow smoke up the ass of these motherwhoring mohammedans,
let's say it as it REALLY IS. I am tired of people trying to appease
and downplay what islam really is: a hatefilled, prejudiced and brutal
cult of rape, murder and theft.
Sirknight67
2005-07-27 01:06:54 UTC
Permalink
Deev a Gerami

here are a few points I would like to comment. First, you said
something in regards to the Shah's time, making it okay to convert to
whatever religion. Well as I'm sure you are better informed than I in
this particular field, many people converted to Bahaism in that time,
although Babism seems to have been more limited (25,000 according to
Wahid).

Now as far as Zoroastiranism is concerned, you would be itnerested to
read "The Zoroastrians of Iran: conversion, Assimilation or
persistence" by Amighi Kestenberg (New York, 1990). I fyou ever had a
chance, read it and you will understand that had the old taboos not
been in place and the Zoroastrians THEMSELVES accepted it, MILLIONS of
Iranians were flocking to Zoroastiranism, literally.

The various Zoraostiran Anjoman that were approached, in particular the
Shiraz one, REJECTED applicants for conversion. Rason? Because of ten
centuries of Islamic rule and domination that declared not only the
death penalty for persons born into the unholy cult of islam but also,
for the entire community that supported proselytism. Since the Arab
conquests and usurpation of Iranian soil, if you read the history of
Tabari, you would learn also that one of the priamry clauses for
so-called "peace treaty" or rather occupation dictates on the Iranian
people, was that NO group, whether Zoroastrian, Manichean, CHristian or
other would preach their religion and seek to convert mohammedans.
If you read the medieval history of Persia, you would see that the
Zoroastrian sect of the Mazdakites, which mixed gnostic ideas succeeded
in converting a number of Arabs, Turks and others to its credo and that
they were declared apostates who had to be killed without delay by the
various caliphs that deal wtih them.

So now, coming back to Kestenberg who interview thousands of
Zoroastrians: ZOROASTRIANS THEMSELVES DID NOT ALLOW CONVERSION! WHY?
Not because Zoroastrianism doesn't allow it, because it does and it is
written in scriptures. because of the threats of islamic brutality and
that filthy fascist cult that establishes a strnaglehold on freewill.

Finally, after receiving repeated applications, the Anjoman of Tehran
FINALLY agreed in the mid seventies to declare that conversion was
accepted and that anyone who wanted to become Zoroastrian could do so.
The first conversions took palce among the Persian populace of
Khouzestan, at Abadan I believe or it could have been Ahwaz. From then,
hundreds of others took place. I know, one of my friends Ardeshir was
denied acceptance by the Anjoman of Shiraz several times before finally
being admited on grounds that Zoroastiranism accepts conversions, but
that it was islamic taboos that didn't allow it.
It would greatly benefit you and others to learn about this period of
our recent history in order to understand why there wasn't a land slide
conversion towards Zoroastrianism, which is happening RIGHT NOW.

Talk to Ali Jafarey and he will tell you how many people he has
converted to Zoroastrianism in Iran DURING THE SHAH'S TIME, who were
turned away by the Anjomans of Shiraz, Tehran and especially the ultra
conservative in Yazd.

About 13 years ago, when I first approached an Iranian Mobed and
entered an Atash kadeh, I too was turned away, as were hundreds of
people I know. rason? Threats by the Islamic terrorists. Now, there is
such a landslide and MILLIONS wanting to convert that no one gives a
flying fuck about what the muslim sons of bitches think and do it
anyway.

I have witnessed countless conversions of peope COMING FROM IRAN
clandestinely. At the time of the Shah, the ball had not yet been set
in motion because of the reservations of the Zoroastrian community
itself. Now you as a Bahai know that when someone wants to become a
Bahai, or a Christian or a Buddhist, they are WELCOMED with open arms.
In Zoroastiranism, because of the restrictions, threats and taboos,
PEOPLE WERE TURNED AWAY.

Now as far as Islam being divine, there's not a SHRED OF DIVINITY IN
ISLAM. You will just have to read the koran in depth because I
seriously doubt if you have. If you had, you would not attribute to ANY
divinity, a gross idol taht commands men to kill others simply because
they will not submit to it. That is imperialism, and doesn't ressemble
in the slightests the Godly Zoroastrian, Buddhist, Dao and other
philosophies that I come to respect because of their invitation and
resepct of free will, something that that pile of shit known as islam
will never do.

Your statement about islam having any divinity in it can only be
explained by what I consider a total lack of knowledge in the history
of islam, how it was executed and followed, and how it was practiced
until this day, ACCORDING TO ITS LAWS, FOUNDER AND SCRIPTURES, not
because of misrepresentation or misunderstanding by corrupt clergymen
and politicians as you so often incorrectly state wtihout any evidence.


Then lastly, you shock me with the so-called "contributions of islam".
What contributiosn are you talking about? Did I miss something?
"Masjed" comes from MAZDA KADEH". "Islamic architecture is a mixture of
PERSIAN SASSANIAN architecture, Greco-Roman and perhaps Indian styles.
Perhaps you should really look into this in depth in order to come to
certain realizations about this so-called islamic civilization, I would
be more than glad to refer you to some books that will shed some light
in this regard.
Then what about "islamic science"? Omar Khayam doubted the existence of
a "perfect entity" and declared himself a follower of no religion. Razi
was an ATHEIST and was beaten to near death for his beliefs and there
were others.
The science by the way was a regurgitation of ancient Greek works made
by Thales, Pythagoras etc...mixed with babylonian, Egyptian, Indian and
Syriac works, not to mention pre-ilsamic Iranian, most of which your
"divne" asshole muslism threw into the rivers o fthe Amu Darya as well
as Tigris.

Did Islam make any contributiosn to thought? Absolutely not! Most of
the great thinkers were influenced in some way by either neoplatonism,
gnostic thought or Iranian dualistic thought, like Sohrawardi.
Then our gretest poets, like Ferdowsi and (another one from the east
whose name I forgot) were pro-Zoroastrian and constantly debased Islam.
Hafez was believe d"muslim" because he memorized the whole koran and
yet he was not one.
These argumetns are all poor to support your claims at "isalmic
contributions".

All the architecture of al-Andalus was from imported Persian slaves who
were brought in by the Ommeyads in Spain to do lay the stones and
"kashi". What exactly do you base your wild statement that Islam is
divine?Thereisn't an ounce of logic or reason in this pile of diarhea
called the "koran". Schoalrs have proven that it is a regurgitation of
Biblical, Sumerian (flood), ancient Mannean (Noah) and pagan arab
traditions all plagiarized by that son of a bitch mohammad.

What kind of a man who comes up with verses each time he is in trouble
kills the husbands of three women and then takes them for himself? What
kind of a man orders the death of his political opponents? Jesus?
Zartosht? Buddha? lao Tzu? mahavira? NONE other than the scumbag
Mohammad you believe to have preached anything other than a satanic
barf. What kind of a "holy man" attacks caravans and kills husbands
before the eyes of their women? What kind of a man takes a child as a
bribe? What kind of a man declares that no two eligions shall exist in
Arabia?

I'd say Farid jan, you are in serious need to consult not onyl OUR
history but all of it and see just how wrong you are in terms of
"contributions" to civilization in regards to Islam.
Anyone that believes the words of Muhammad, an illeterate, child
moelsting asshole murderer to be divine is nin serious need of a
"vacation" in a mental assylum. I'll bet you a million dollars that had
mohammad tried to preach his "message" of hate this day, he would have
ended up like Jim Jones, or David Koresh. he was nothing but a fucking
brigand, a cultist and a murderer and I'm truly sorry if you can't see
this simple fact.
Deev
2005-07-27 03:24:21 UTC
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Sir, I have to answer you in this long post, but I actually do believe what
I said, I have read a lot about this, and around me there is no one except
my mother as you know who is a Moslem.

Regarding conversions, I also know a mutual friend who converted back in
Iran and she is well known to you and Dr. Jafari.
But I am not surprised in what you say, I speaking without prejudice, have
seen the same thing said about Christianity by the Jews, about Islam by the
Christians and about Zoroastrians by the Damned Arabs.
First, you said something in regards to the Shah's time
I meant under the various Monarchs that we had, like NAder Shah and before
and after him. We have had nationalist monarchs, even though a small number,
but they could have allowed conversion back to Iranian Religions.
Now as far as Zoroastrianism is concerned, you would be interested to
read "The Zoroastrians of Iran: conversion, Assimilation or
persistence" by Amighi Kestenberg (New York, 1990).
I have no qualms with you about your comments about conversions or reasons
for and against, in this point, talk to Fataneh, she is related to me, she
has said this to me repeatedly and was one of the first to convert back in
the time of the Shah. :)
Now as far as Islam being divine, there's not a SHRED OF DIVINITY IN
ISLAM. You will just have to read the koran in depth because I
seriously doubt if you have.
Actually, I have read it several times and I use it with those who keep
insisting Islam is this or that. What you say in my opinion is revisionist.
What you are talking about is all to do with how Islam is practiced by the
likes of that idiot Fatass Jahel.
you would not attribute to ANY divinity, a gross idol that commands men to
kill others >simply because they will not submit to it.
If you judge by today's point of view, I cant argue, but at the time, it was
the only way to bring warring and blood thirsty , illiterate, beasts walking
like humans into one thought. It is not different than any ruler that would
use force to subdue warring tribes, or states. We see similar things in our
illustrious history, Don't you agree?
Your statement about Islam having any divinity in it can only be
explained by what I consider a total lack of knowledge in the history
of Islam, how it was executed and followed, and how it was practiced
until this day,
Can I have a different opinion that you? How can you prove faith?Or how can
you explain its lasting history, influence etc...
The Mongols were as brutal, as fierce, as blood thirsty and they never left
any impact on our world? They could not achieve what Islam achieved, they
were forgotten as soon as they were gone. Islam, Christianity,
Zoroastrianism, Judaism all have stayed, in my opinion simply because they
were divine in origin. You can not prove me wrong, and I can not prove this
point correct, it is a matter of personal belief. I have read enough to have
made that conclusion, which may be different than you, but it is just what I
believe.
Then lastly, you shock me with the so-called "contributions of Islam".
What contributiosn are you talking about? Did I miss something?
"Masjed" comes from MAZDA KADEH".
I said Islam, I did not say Arab, what you say is correct, and Persians and
others contributed to many things, under the umbrella of Islam. It was the
only way to get ahead. You had to be part of the masjed goers, it is kind of
like Today's Iran, if you want to do anything you have to be part of the
elite. Or in Soviet Russia, a member of the Communist party.
What exactly do you base your wild statement that Islam is
divine?Thereisn't an ounce of logic or reason in this pile of diarhea
called the "koran". Schoalrs have proven that it is a regurgitation of
Biblical, Sumerian (flood), ancient Mannean (Noah) and pagan Arab
traditions all plagiarized by that son of a bitch mohammad.
I simply base it on logic and what I have read and that the same thing is
always said about other religions, you must know what Jews said about
Christianity, and Christians about Islam and again what they all said about
Zoroastrianism.
What kind of a man who comes up with verses each time he is in trouble
kills the husbands of three women and then takes them for himself? What
kind of a man orders the death of his political opponents?
Sir, with our vision today, I would say Mohammad will be tried and convicted
and executed in a any civil society. But using laws and practices at that
time this was customary. Look in a way I would say you cant teach algebra to
a grade one student. The same way you could not tame the wild tribes of
Arabia with logic and reason. Only force was a solution.


As for the last paragraph, I may just suggest we start a new post with your
examples and I can defend it.

FR
Deev a Gerami
here are a few points I would like to comment. First, you said
something in regards to the Shah's time, making it okay to convert to
whatever religion. Well as I'm sure you are better informed than I in
this particular field, many people converted to Bahaism in that time,
although Babism seems to have been more limited (25,000 according to
Wahid).
Now as far as Zoroastiranism is concerned, you would be itnerested to
read "The Zoroastrians of Iran: conversion, Assimilation or
persistence" by Amighi Kestenberg (New York, 1990). I fyou ever had a
chance, read it and you will understand that had the old taboos not
been in place and the Zoroastrians THEMSELVES accepted it, MILLIONS of
Iranians were flocking to Zoroastiranism, literally.
The various Zoraostiran Anjoman that were approached, in particular the
Shiraz one, REJECTED applicants for conversion. Rason? Because of ten
centuries of Islamic rule and domination that declared not only the
death penalty for persons born into the unholy cult of islam but also,
for the entire community that supported proselytism. Since the Arab
conquests and usurpation of Iranian soil, if you read the history of
Tabari, you would learn also that one of the priamry clauses for
so-called "peace treaty" or rather occupation dictates on the Iranian
people, was that NO group, whether Zoroastrian, Manichean, CHristian or
other would preach their religion and seek to convert mohammedans.
If you read the medieval history of Persia, you would see that the
Zoroastrian sect of the Mazdakites, which mixed gnostic ideas succeeded
in converting a number of Arabs, Turks and others to its credo and that
they were declared apostates who had to be killed without delay by the
various caliphs that deal wtih them.
So now, coming back to Kestenberg who interview thousands of
Zoroastrians: ZOROASTRIANS THEMSELVES DID NOT ALLOW CONVERSION! WHY?
Not because Zoroastrianism doesn't allow it, because it does and it is
written in scriptures. because of the threats of islamic brutality and
that filthy fascist cult that establishes a strnaglehold on freewill.
Finally, after receiving repeated applications, the Anjoman of Tehran
FINALLY agreed in the mid seventies to declare that conversion was
accepted and that anyone who wanted to become Zoroastrian could do so.
The first conversions took palce among the Persian populace of
Khouzestan, at Abadan I believe or it could have been Ahwaz. From then,
hundreds of others took place. I know, one of my friends Ardeshir was
denied acceptance by the Anjoman of Shiraz several times before finally
being admited on grounds that Zoroastiranism accepts conversions, but
that it was islamic taboos that didn't allow it.
It would greatly benefit you and others to learn about this period of
our recent history in order to understand why there wasn't a land slide
conversion towards Zoroastrianism, which is happening RIGHT NOW.
Talk to Ali Jafarey and he will tell you how many people he has
converted to Zoroastrianism in Iran DURING THE SHAH'S TIME, who were
turned away by the Anjomans of Shiraz, Tehran and especially the ultra
conservative in Yazd.
About 13 years ago, when I first approached an Iranian Mobed and
entered an Atash kadeh, I too was turned away, as were hundreds of
people I know. rason? Threats by the Islamic terrorists. Now, there is
such a landslide and MILLIONS wanting to convert that no one gives a
flying fuck about what the muslim sons of bitches think and do it
anyway.
I have witnessed countless conversions of peope COMING FROM IRAN
clandestinely. At the time of the Shah, the ball had not yet been set
in motion because of the reservations of the Zoroastrian community
itself. Now you as a Bahai know that when someone wants to become a
Bahai, or a Christian or a Buddhist, they are WELCOMED with open arms.
In Zoroastiranism, because of the restrictions, threats and taboos,
PEOPLE WERE TURNED AWAY.
Now as far as Islam being divine, there's not a SHRED OF DIVINITY IN
ISLAM. You will just have to read the koran in depth because I
seriously doubt if you have. If you had, you would not attribute to ANY
divinity, a gross idol taht commands men to kill others simply because
they will not submit to it. That is imperialism, and doesn't ressemble
in the slightests the Godly Zoroastrian, Buddhist, Dao and other
philosophies that I come to respect because of their invitation and
resepct of free will, something that that pile of shit known as islam
will never do.
Your statement about islam having any divinity in it can only be
explained by what I consider a total lack of knowledge in the history
of islam, how it was executed and followed, and how it was practiced
until this day, ACCORDING TO ITS LAWS, FOUNDER AND SCRIPTURES, not
because of misrepresentation or misunderstanding by corrupt clergymen
and politicians as you so often incorrectly state wtihout any evidence.
Then lastly, you shock me with the so-called "contributions of islam".
What contributiosn are you talking about? Did I miss something?
"Masjed" comes from MAZDA KADEH". "Islamic architecture is a mixture of
PERSIAN SASSANIAN architecture, Greco-Roman and perhaps Indian styles.
Perhaps you should really look into this in depth in order to come to
certain realizations about this so-called islamic civilization, I would
be more than glad to refer you to some books that will shed some light
in this regard.
Then what about "islamic science"? Omar Khayam doubted the existence of
a "perfect entity" and declared himself a follower of no religion. Razi
was an ATHEIST and was beaten to near death for his beliefs and there
were others.
The science by the way was a regurgitation of ancient Greek works made
by Thales, Pythagoras etc...mixed with babylonian, Egyptian, Indian and
Syriac works, not to mention pre-ilsamic Iranian, most of which your
"divne" asshole muslism threw into the rivers o fthe Amu Darya as well
as Tigris.
Did Islam make any contributiosn to thought? Absolutely not! Most of
the great thinkers were influenced in some way by either neoplatonism,
gnostic thought or Iranian dualistic thought, like Sohrawardi.
Then our gretest poets, like Ferdowsi and (another one from the east
whose name I forgot) were pro-Zoroastrian and constantly debased Islam.
Hafez was believe d"muslim" because he memorized the whole koran and
yet he was not one.
These argumetns are all poor to support your claims at "isalmic
contributions".
All the architecture of al-Andalus was from imported Persian slaves who
were brought in by the Ommeyads in Spain to do lay the stones and
"kashi". What exactly do you base your wild statement that Islam is
divine?Thereisn't an ounce of logic or reason in this pile of diarhea
called the "koran". Schoalrs have proven that it is a regurgitation of
Biblical, Sumerian (flood), ancient Mannean (Noah) and pagan arab
traditions all plagiarized by that son of a bitch mohammad.
What kind of a man who comes up with verses each time he is in trouble
kills the husbands of three women and then takes them for himself? What
kind of a man orders the death of his political opponents? Jesus?
Zartosht? Buddha? lao Tzu? mahavira? NONE other than the scumbag
Mohammad you believe to have preached anything other than a satanic
barf. What kind of a "holy man" attacks caravans and kills husbands
before the eyes of their women? What kind of a man takes a child as a
bribe? What kind of a man declares that no two eligions shall exist in
Arabia?
I'd say Farid jan, you are in serious need to consult not onyl OUR
history but all of it and see just how wrong you are in terms of
"contributions" to civilization in regards to Islam.
Anyone that believes the words of Muhammad, an illeterate, child
moelsting asshole murderer to be divine is nin serious need of a
"vacation" in a mental assylum. I'll bet you a million dollars that had
mohammad tried to preach his "message" of hate this day, he would have
ended up like Jim Jones, or David Koresh. he was nothing but a fucking
brigand, a cultist and a murderer and I'm truly sorry if you can't see
this simple fact.
MonsieurStat
2005-07-27 04:39:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sirknight67
Deev a Gerami
here are a few points I would like to comment.
zahmat nakesh. rooz khosh and keep your comments for your naneh jendeh,
bache kooni.
Stat.
Sirknight67
2005-07-27 09:17:41 UTC
Permalink
MADAR JENDEH PEDAR SAG

zahmat nemeekesham, kosse naneyejendato meekesham hehehehe
Deev
2005-07-27 15:31:09 UTC
Permalink
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the one
that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Sirknight67
Deev a Gerami
here are a few points I would like to comment.
zahmat nakesh. rooz khosh and keep your comments for your naneh jendeh,
bache kooni.
Stat.
MonsieurStat
2005-07-28 01:13:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Deev
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the one
that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My personal
religion and faith are no business of yours, as yours are no business of
mine. However, Islam goes beyond personal faith. Islam is a social
philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and test in this
period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice of the vast
majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any faith,
religion or cult that you want at home. But in a country that has chosen to
put Islam in the center of its social organization, I put my the choice of
the majority above the desire of a few confused and brain washed groups or
individuals who don't really know what they want or need. At best they are
just copycats who look at the West and wish they were like Americans or
French or whatever. It is just not possible, and the problem is not Islam.
In fact there is no problem. We are who we are, and if you know your people,
your culture and your history, you wouldn't want to be anything else, but
Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the West most expats of your caliber
think their aim in life is to change Iran into America from LA. Good news
is, you can achieve this only in your dreams.
Stat.
Deev
2005-07-28 02:41:22 UTC
Permalink
As this was in my opinion your first common sense post, I will respond in
kind.
You have made some good points, but your previous posts prove you wrong in
your rhetoric.

And what kind of Iran do you think those in LA want? Is an LA style Iran,
different than what you have stated in your post?

The problem is not Islam as you say, it is what is practiced in Iran as
opportunist Islam.All the shit going on there, every second word out of the
mouthy of any sendeh in power there is Islam.

As far as the majority of Iranians, can you honestly say that what we have
in Iran a representative of the majority?
Hog wash!!!!
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the
one that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My
personal religion and faith are no business of yours, as yours are no
business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond personal faith. Islam is a
social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and test in
this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice of the
vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any faith,
religion or cult that you want at home. But in a country that has chosen
to put Islam in the center of its social organization, I put my the choice
of the majority above the desire of a few confused and brain washed groups
or individuals who don't really know what they want or need. At best they
are just copycats who look at the West and wish they were like Americans
or French or whatever. It is just not possible, and the problem is not
Islam. In fact there is no problem. We are who we are, and if you know
your people, your culture and your history, you wouldn't want to be
anything else, but Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the West most
expats of your caliber think their aim in life is to change Iran into
America from LA. Good news is, you can achieve this only in your dreams.
Stat.
MonsieurStat
2005-07-28 04:20:38 UTC
Permalink
Iran will not become America tomorrow, or next year or even in a hundred
years, unless there is an invasion, and even then history shows we have
great resistance against occupiers and invaders.

This myth of democracy has blinded a lot of people to reality. The
self-proclaimed champion of democracy has produced presidents such as Bush,
Clinton and Reagan in the past 25 years. America is not ruled by Americans,
but by corporations. This is what expats in LA want for Iran. A society
based on materialism, corruption, and collective psychosis. We have chosen
otherwise.

As a nation with over 7000 years of history, we are able to ride out the
tide of these difficult times and build a nation that is based on justice,
fraternity, and spirituality. This is the choice of the vast majority of
Iranians. Do we think we have reached perfection? No. Nobody pretends
everything is rosy in Iran. We have a long way to go, and even the struggle
for mere survival is not easy. And that is exactly what we are doing now. Do
you have a better solution than what we have? Put it on the table and we'll
discuss it.
Stat.
Post by Deev
As this was in my opinion your first common sense post, I will respond in
kind.
You have made some good points, but your previous posts prove you wrong in
your rhetoric.
And what kind of Iran do you think those in LA want? Is an LA style Iran,
different than what you have stated in your post?
The problem is not Islam as you say, it is what is practiced in Iran as
opportunist Islam.All the shit going on there, every second word out of
the mouthy of any sendeh in power there is Islam.
As far as the majority of Iranians, can you honestly say that what we have
in Iran a representative of the majority?
Hog wash!!!!
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the
one that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My
personal religion and faith are no business of yours, as yours are no
business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond personal faith. Islam is a
social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and test
in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice of
the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any
faith, religion or cult that you want at home. But in a country that has
chosen to put Islam in the center of its social organization, I put my
the choice of the majority above the desire of a few confused and brain
washed groups or individuals who don't really know what they want or
need. At best they are just copycats who look at the West and wish they
were like Americans or French or whatever. It is just not possible, and
the problem is not Islam. In fact there is no problem. We are who we are,
and if you know your people, your culture and your history, you wouldn't
want to be anything else, but Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the
West most expats of your caliber think their aim in life is to change
Iran into America from LA. Good news is, you can achieve this only in
your dreams.
Stat.
Deev
2005-07-28 04:52:06 UTC
Permalink
No one has said Iran become America or Europe, or for that fact Arabia .
America will not Invade either. NEVER.

The people in LA all those who care about Iran , want the freedom of Iran
from Mullah's, some want the Shah, some want not the Shah, some want
anything other than this or that, There are a multitude of ideas and
perceptions for the future of Iran. I personally believe that they want an
Iran that people can have a separation of State and religion.

Off course there are those who work and have made money in LA that don't
acre about Iran, America or for that matter anything but their own pockets.
This is a consequence of Americanization.

As for who rules America, I have said this before, anyone who thought
America is anything but a bastion of power to protect the capital of those
who rule, they are wrong. The rest is BS.

The better solution is not to be monkeys, but use our history, culture and
roots, and build a system than the world can look to as a model. But inorder
to do that we must separate Church and state. That is what has to be done.

Break all the loud speakers and make all the religious leaders,
intellectuals take a test , that can show those who are truly spiritual
versus those who are dogmatic, then take the dogmatic ones, throw them in
the desert and those that want them let them go there in the desert and let
them worship what they want and how they want, then set a system of
education in place that makes people see us for who we really are, leaders
of spirituality , culture and tolerance.

Then let society organically evolve.
Post by MonsieurStat
Iran will not become America tomorrow, or next year or even in a hundred
years, unless there is an invasion, and even then history shows we have
great resistance against occupiers and invaders.
This myth of democracy has blinded a lot of people to reality. The
self-proclaimed champion of democracy has produced presidents such as
Bush, Clinton and Reagan in the past 25 years. America is not ruled by
Americans, but by corporations. This is what expats in LA want for Iran. A
society based on materialism, corruption, and collective psychosis. We
have chosen otherwise.
As a nation with over 7000 years of history, we are able to ride out the
tide of these difficult times and build a nation that is based on justice,
fraternity, and spirituality. This is the choice of the vast majority of
Iranians. Do we think we have reached perfection? No. Nobody pretends
everything is rosy in Iran. We have a long way to go, and even the
struggle for mere survival is not easy. And that is exactly what we are
doing now. Do you have a better solution than what we have? Put it on the
table and we'll discuss it.
Stat.
Post by Deev
As this was in my opinion your first common sense post, I will respond in
kind.
You have made some good points, but your previous posts prove you wrong
in your rhetoric.
And what kind of Iran do you think those in LA want? Is an LA style Iran,
different than what you have stated in your post?
The problem is not Islam as you say, it is what is practiced in Iran as
opportunist Islam.All the shit going on there, every second word out of
the mouthy of any sendeh in power there is Islam.
As far as the majority of Iranians, can you honestly say that what we
have in Iran a representative of the majority?
Hog wash!!!!
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the
one that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My
personal religion and faith are no business of yours, as yours are no
business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond personal faith. Islam is a
social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and test
in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice
of the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice
any faith, religion or cult that you want at home. But in a country that
has chosen to put Islam in the center of its social organization, I put
my the choice of the majority above the desire of a few confused and
brain washed groups or individuals who don't really know what they want
or need. At best they are just copycats who look at the West and wish
they were like Americans or French or whatever. It is just not possible,
and the problem is not Islam. In fact there is no problem. We are who we
are, and if you know your people, your culture and your history, you
wouldn't want to be anything else, but Iranian. But unfortunately, here
in the West most expats of your caliber think their aim in life is to
change Iran into America from LA. Good news is, you can achieve this
only in your dreams.
Stat.
MonsieurStat
2005-07-30 01:05:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Deev
No one has said Iran become America or Europe, or for that fact Arabia .
America will not Invade either. NEVER.
The people in LA all those who care about Iran , want the freedom of Iran
from Mullah's, some want the Shah, some want not the Shah, some want
anything other than this or that, There are a multitude of ideas and
perceptions for the future of Iran. I personally believe that they want an
Iran that people can have a separation of State and religion.
Off course there are those who work and have made money in LA that don't
acre about Iran, America or for that matter anything but their own
pockets. This is a consequence of Americanization.
As for who rules America, I have said this before, anyone who thought
America is anything but a bastion of power to protect the capital of those
who rule, they are wrong. The rest is BS.
The better solution is not to be monkeys, but use our history, culture and
roots, and build a system than the world can look to as a model. But
inorder to do that we must separate Church and state. That is what has to
be done.
Break all the loud speakers and make all the religious leaders,
intellectuals take a test , that can show those who are truly spiritual
versus those who are dogmatic, then take the dogmatic ones, throw them in
the desert and those that want them let them go there in the desert and
let them worship what they want and how they want, then set a system of
education in place that makes people see us for who we really are, leaders
of spirituality , culture and tolerance.
Then let society organically evolve.
Iranian society is evolving organically, spiritually, economically,
technologically... without any help from LA and surroundings. In fact, if
they leave it alone, it will evolve even faster.
Stat.
Post by Deev
Post by MonsieurStat
Iran will not become America tomorrow, or next year or even in a hundred
years, unless there is an invasion, and even then history shows we have
great resistance against occupiers and invaders.
This myth of democracy has blinded a lot of people to reality. The
self-proclaimed champion of democracy has produced presidents such as
Bush, Clinton and Reagan in the past 25 years. America is not ruled by
Americans, but by corporations. This is what expats in LA want for Iran.
A society based on materialism, corruption, and collective psychosis. We
have chosen otherwise.
As a nation with over 7000 years of history, we are able to ride out the
tide of these difficult times and build a nation that is based on
justice, fraternity, and spirituality. This is the choice of the vast
majority of Iranians. Do we think we have reached perfection? No. Nobody
pretends everything is rosy in Iran. We have a long way to go, and even
the struggle for mere survival is not easy. And that is exactly what we
are doing now. Do you have a better solution than what we have? Put it on
the table and we'll discuss it.
Stat.
Post by Deev
As this was in my opinion your first common sense post, I will respond
in kind.
You have made some good points, but your previous posts prove you wrong
in your rhetoric.
And what kind of Iran do you think those in LA want? Is an LA style
Iran, different than what you have stated in your post?
The problem is not Islam as you say, it is what is practiced in Iran as
opportunist Islam.All the shit going on there, every second word out of
the mouthy of any sendeh in power there is Islam.
As far as the majority of Iranians, can you honestly say that what we
have in Iran a representative of the majority?
Hog wash!!!!
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the
one that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My
personal religion and faith are no business of yours, as yours are no
business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond personal faith. Islam is a
social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and test
in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice
of the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice
any faith, religion or cult that you want at home. But in a country
that has chosen to put Islam in the center of its social organization,
I put my the choice of the majority above the desire of a few confused
and brain washed groups or individuals who don't really know what they
want or need. At best they are just copycats who look at the West and
wish they were like Americans or French or whatever. It is just not
possible, and the problem is not Islam. In fact there is no problem. We
are who we are, and if you know your people, your culture and your
history, you wouldn't want to be anything else, but Iranian. But
unfortunately, here in the West most expats of your caliber think their
aim in life is to change Iran into America from LA. Good news is, you
can achieve this only in your dreams.
Stat.
Deev
2005-07-30 18:08:05 UTC
Permalink
All societies are evolving forward, Iran is going backward so much so that
any glimmer of light or hope seems like sun at its brightest day.
Don't fool yourself, selecting Antarinejad is not progress or evolvement
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
No one has said Iran become America or Europe, or for that fact Arabia .
America will not Invade either. NEVER.
The people in LA all those who care about Iran , want the freedom of Iran
from Mullah's, some want the Shah, some want not the Shah, some want
anything other than this or that, There are a multitude of ideas and
perceptions for the future of Iran. I personally believe that they want
an Iran that people can have a separation of State and religion.
Off course there are those who work and have made money in LA that don't
acre about Iran, America or for that matter anything but their own
pockets. This is a consequence of Americanization.
As for who rules America, I have said this before, anyone who thought
America is anything but a bastion of power to protect the capital of
those who rule, they are wrong. The rest is BS.
The better solution is not to be monkeys, but use our history, culture
and roots, and build a system than the world can look to as a model. But
inorder to do that we must separate Church and state. That is what has to
be done.
Break all the loud speakers and make all the religious leaders,
intellectuals take a test , that can show those who are truly spiritual
versus those who are dogmatic, then take the dogmatic ones, throw them in
the desert and those that want them let them go there in the desert and
let them worship what they want and how they want, then set a system of
education in place that makes people see us for who we really are,
leaders of spirituality , culture and tolerance.
Then let society organically evolve.
Iranian society is evolving organically, spiritually, economically,
technologically... without any help from LA and surroundings. In fact, if
they leave it alone, it will evolve even faster.
Stat.
Post by Deev
Post by MonsieurStat
Iran will not become America tomorrow, or next year or even in a hundred
years, unless there is an invasion, and even then history shows we have
great resistance against occupiers and invaders.
This myth of democracy has blinded a lot of people to reality. The
self-proclaimed champion of democracy has produced presidents such as
Bush, Clinton and Reagan in the past 25 years. America is not ruled by
Americans, but by corporations. This is what expats in LA want for Iran.
A society based on materialism, corruption, and collective psychosis.
We have chosen otherwise.
As a nation with over 7000 years of history, we are able to ride out the
tide of these difficult times and build a nation that is based on
justice, fraternity, and spirituality. This is the choice of the vast
majority of Iranians. Do we think we have reached perfection? No. Nobody
pretends everything is rosy in Iran. We have a long way to go, and even
the struggle for mere survival is not easy. And that is exactly what we
are doing now. Do you have a better solution than what we have? Put it
on the table and we'll discuss it.
Stat.
Post by Deev
As this was in my opinion your first common sense post, I will respond
in kind.
You have made some good points, but your previous posts prove you wrong
in your rhetoric.
And what kind of Iran do you think those in LA want? Is an LA style
Iran, different than what you have stated in your post?
The problem is not Islam as you say, it is what is practiced in Iran as
opportunist Islam.All the shit going on there, every second word out of
the mouthy of any sendeh in power there is Islam.
As far as the majority of Iranians, can you honestly say that what we
have in Iran a representative of the majority?
Hog wash!!!!
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or
the one that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My
personal religion and faith are no business of yours, as yours are no
business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond personal faith. Islam is
a social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and
test in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the
choice of the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to
practice any faith, religion or cult that you want at home. But in a
country that has chosen to put Islam in the center of its social
organization, I put my the choice of the majority above the desire of
a few confused and brain washed groups or individuals who don't really
know what they want or need. At best they are just copycats who look
at the West and wish they were like Americans or French or whatever.
It is just not possible, and the problem is not Islam. In fact there
is no problem. We are who we are, and if you know your people, your
culture and your history, you wouldn't want to be anything else, but
Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the West most expats of your
caliber think their aim in life is to change Iran into America from
LA. Good news is, you can achieve this only in your dreams.
Stat.
mandela
2005-07-31 06:55:02 UTC
Permalink
deev perhaps your comment reflects your view on the person..

i think the fact that Iranians are "selecting" is progress and evolvement.. now i hope that in
the not too distant future, once people have learned the way the system works, they can choose
from a selection of more representative candidates that reflect the views and ideals of the
majority living in Iran.
All societies are evolving forward, Iran is going backward so much so that any glimmer of
light or hope seems like sun at its brightest day.
Don't fool yourself, selecting Antarinejad is not progress or evolvement
Post by Deev
No one has said Iran become America or Europe, or for that fact Arabia .
America will not Invade either. NEVER.
The people in LA all those who care about Iran , want the freedom of Iran from Mullah's,
some want the Shah, some want not the Shah, some want anything other than this or that,
There are a multitude of ideas and perceptions for the future of Iran. I personally believe
that they want an Iran that people can have a separation of State and religion.
Off course there are those who work and have made money in LA that don't acre about Iran,
America or for that matter anything but their own pockets. This is a consequence of
Americanization.
As for who rules America, I have said this before, anyone who thought America is anything
but a bastion of power to protect the capital of those who rule, they are wrong. The rest is
BS.
The better solution is not to be monkeys, but use our history, culture and roots, and build
a system than the world can look to as a model. But inorder to do that we must separate
Church and state. That is what has to be done.
Break all the loud speakers and make all the religious leaders, intellectuals take a test ,
that can show those who are truly spiritual versus those who are dogmatic, then take the
dogmatic ones, throw them in the desert and those that want them let them go there in the
desert and let them worship what they want and how they want, then set a system of education
in place that makes people see us for who we really are, leaders of spirituality , culture
and tolerance.
Then let society organically evolve.
Iranian society is evolving organically, spiritually, economically, technologically...
without any help from LA and surroundings. In fact, if they leave it alone, it will evolve
even faster.
Stat.
Post by Deev
Iran will not become America tomorrow, or next year or even in a hundred years, unless
there is an invasion, and even then history shows we have great resistance against
occupiers and invaders.
This myth of democracy has blinded a lot of people to reality. The self-proclaimed champion
of democracy has produced presidents such as Bush, Clinton and Reagan in the past 25 years.
America is not ruled by Americans, but by corporations. This is what expats in LA want for
Iran. A society based on materialism, corruption, and collective psychosis. We have chosen
otherwise.
As a nation with over 7000 years of history, we are able to ride out the tide of these
difficult times and build a nation that is based on justice, fraternity, and spirituality.
This is the choice of the vast majority of Iranians. Do we think we have reached
perfection? No. Nobody pretends everything is rosy in Iran. We have a long way to go, and
even the struggle for mere survival is not easy. And that is exactly what we are doing now.
Do you have a better solution than what we have? Put it on the table and we'll discuss it.
Stat.
As this was in my opinion your first common sense post, I will respond in kind.
You have made some good points, but your previous posts prove you wrong in your rhetoric.
And what kind of Iran do you think those in LA want? Is an LA style Iran, different than
what you have stated in your post?
The problem is not Islam as you say, it is what is practiced in Iran as opportunist
Islam.All the shit going on there, every second word out of the mouthy of any sendeh in
power there is Islam.
As far as the majority of Iranians, can you honestly say that what we have in Iran a
representative of the majority?
Hog wash!!!!
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the one that deals
with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My personal religion and
faith are no business of yours, as yours are no business of mine. However, Islam goes
beyond personal faith. Islam is a social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen
to adopt and test in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice
of the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any faith,
religion or cult that you want at home. But in a country that has chosen to put Islam in
the center of its social organization, I put my the choice of the majority above the
desire of a few confused and brain washed groups or individuals who don't really know
what they want or need. At best they are just copycats who look at the West and wish they
were like Americans or French or whatever. It is just not possible, and the problem is
not Islam. In fact there is no problem. We are who we are, and if you know your people,
your culture and your history, you wouldn't want to be anything else, but Iranian. But
unfortunately, here in the West most expats of your caliber think their aim in life is to
change Iran into America from LA. Good news is, you can achieve this only in your dreams.
Stat.
mandela
2005-07-28 02:43:07 UTC
Permalink
stat

i don't know how long you been around in SCI but let me wizen you up on several points... there
are a few self hating anti Iranian parasites here in SCI who will stop at nothing to destroy
that which most troubles their mind... namely their nation and the faith in which they were
surrounded ( meaning brought up with doesn't mean they have to be Muslims be it good or bad)

these SHAIPs do not comprehend logic or reason. many have attempted to start a civil
conversation in order to come to somekind of understanding even if that understanding is " i
respect your opinion but believe in my own"
there is hate mongering and there is a shit load of psychosis going on here.

i caution you to observe say what you want and ignore those you think are morons.

the good thing about SCI and your browser is that when you do figure out who they are you can
filter them out.

i on the other hand observe as much as i can and through in my two bits worth every now and
again. i still have hope that one day these clowns will walk out of the cave and see the more
brighter and nearer to complete light of truth.
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the one that deals with
mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My personal religion and faith
are no business of yours, as yours are no business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond
personal faith. Islam is a social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and
test in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice of the vast
majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any faith, religion or cult that
you want at home. But in a country that has chosen to put Islam in the center of its social
organization, I put my the choice of the majority above the desire of a few confused and brain
washed groups or individuals who don't really know what they want or need. At best they are
just copycats who look at the West and wish they were like Americans or French or whatever. It
is just not possible, and the problem is not Islam. In fact there is no problem. We are who we
are, and if you know your people, your culture and your history, you wouldn't want to be
anything else, but Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the West most expats of your caliber
think their aim in life is to change Iran into America from LA. Good news is, you can achieve
this only in your dreams.
Stat.
MonsieurStat
2005-07-28 04:26:30 UTC
Permalink
Thank you for the heads up aziz.

I am starting to wise up. I do regret for getting pulled down to the level
of some of these trolls in here, but hey, that's life. Live and learn.

I guess it is more than obvious to anybody who has a tiny bit more
intelligence than say RBK that I am not here to advertise any religion. It's
also obvious that the collective wisdom of our nation could see a lot
further than any individual when it chose the path of an Islamic society
over 26 years ago. It was precisely this wisdom that has saved us today from
a faith similar to that of our neighbors'. It is hard to imagine how ANY
system of government could keep our nation together through all these
difficult years. But the IRI has done it.

Ideologically, I am not a fervent supporter of theocracies. But failing to
propose a better solution, I will stand by any government that can keep our
country independent and prosper. IRI's record isn't great. They have done
many wrongs. But with the election of Ahmadinejad, I truly feel a lot of
those wrongs will be set right.

That's why I decided to join this group to discuss the future of our
country. But most of what I have seen so far is this illogical obsession
against Islam which is the very force that has saved us from the boots of
foreign powers. These people are mostly confused and as you put it have deep
psychosis. Maybe they are just victims of circumstances. Only if they would
wake up and smell the coffee.

Keep on observing friend and throw in your 2 cents when you can. It is worth
a million times more than the anti-Iranian tirade that they expose us to.
Stat.
Post by mandela
stat
i don't know how long you been around in SCI but let me wizen you up on
several points... there are a few self hating anti Iranian parasites here
in SCI who will stop at nothing to destroy that which most troubles their
mind... namely their nation and the faith in which they were surrounded
( meaning brought up with doesn't mean they have to be Muslims be it good
or bad)
these SHAIPs do not comprehend logic or reason. many have attempted to
start a civil conversation in order to come to somekind of understanding
even if that understanding is " i respect your opinion but believe in my
own"
there is hate mongering and there is a shit load of psychosis going on here.
i caution you to observe say what you want and ignore those you think are morons.
the good thing about SCI and your browser is that when you do figure out
who they are you can filter them out.
i on the other hand observe as much as i can and through in my two bits
worth every now and again. i still have hope that one day these clowns
will walk out of the cave and see the more brighter and nearer to complete
light of truth.
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the
one that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My
personal religion and faith are no business of yours, as yours are no
business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond personal faith. Islam is a
social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and test
in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice of
the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any
faith, religion or cult that you want at home. But in a country that has
chosen to put Islam in the center of its social organization, I put my
the choice of the majority above the desire of a few confused and brain
washed groups or individuals who don't really know what they want or
need. At best they are just copycats who look at the West and wish they
were like Americans or French or whatever. It is just not possible, and
the problem is not Islam. In fact there is no problem. We are who we are,
and if you know your people, your culture and your history, you wouldn't
want to be anything else, but Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the
West most expats of your caliber think their aim in life is to change
Iran into America from LA. Good news is, you can achieve this only in
your dreams.
Stat.
mandela
2005-07-28 05:10:44 UTC
Permalink
thank you and i agree with your points..

i think like most new systems Iran will go through many years of evolution till it can settle on
a morally acceptable democracy that holds our nations values and culture together and doesn't
make it the "republic incorporated"

as for the psychosis of our fellow countrymen here this is what i have gathered thus far

some of these guys are living in a society they can not adapt to and so they turn that anger and
use it against Iran's government
some of them can not adapt to the societies they live in yet still love their country of birth..
they blame religion of the majority namely Islam and defend their own true light be it
Zoroastrianism, bahai, Jewish, Christian atheist etc.
some are unable to hold a steady job or a steady girlfriend, so they blame it on personalities
and people

unfortunately these guys are so intertwined with their hate that they are unable to formulate
the possibility that perhaps there is another side to the coin.
most of them have plenty of time on their hand and sit here flooding SCI with crap.
at least one of them is a lowly paid Hindustani who is paid to rubbish Islam on a daily basis..
he sees himself as an Iranian perhaps rightly so, and sees himself as the defender of the
Zoroastrians, unfortunately he defends by offending and fails to follow his own rules of faith.
so you will see more and more of these sad characters .

anyway i think i am starting ot repeat myself and i haven't been around for a few months so its
good to be back...

where about are you stat?
Post by MonsieurStat
Thank you for the heads up aziz.
I am starting to wise up. I do regret for getting pulled down to the level of some of these
trolls in here, but hey, that's life. Live and learn.
I guess it is more than obvious to anybody who has a tiny bit more intelligence than say RBK
that I am not here to advertise any religion. It's also obvious that the collective wisdom of
our nation could see a lot further than any individual when it chose the path of an Islamic
society over 26 years ago. It was precisely this wisdom that has saved us today from a faith
similar to that of our neighbors'. It is hard to imagine how ANY system of government could
keep our nation together through all these difficult years. But the IRI has done it.
Ideologically, I am not a fervent supporter of theocracies. But failing to propose a better
solution, I will stand by any government that can keep our country independent and prosper.
IRI's record isn't great. They have done many wrongs. But with the election of Ahmadinejad, I
truly feel a lot of those wrongs will be set right.
That's why I decided to join this group to discuss the future of our country. But most of what
I have seen so far is this illogical obsession against Islam which is the very force that has
saved us from the boots of foreign powers. These people are mostly confused and as you put it
have deep psychosis. Maybe they are just victims of circumstances. Only if they would wake up
and smell the coffee.
Keep on observing friend and throw in your 2 cents when you can. It is worth a million times
more than the anti-Iranian tirade that they expose us to.
Stat.
Post by mandela
stat
i don't know how long you been around in SCI but let me wizen you up on several points...
there are a few self hating anti Iranian parasites here in SCI who will stop at nothing to
destroy that which most troubles their mind... namely their nation and the faith in which
they were surrounded ( meaning brought up with doesn't mean they have to be Muslims be it
good or bad)
these SHAIPs do not comprehend logic or reason. many have attempted to start a civil
conversation in order to come to somekind of understanding even if that understanding is " i
respect your opinion but believe in my own"
there is hate mongering and there is a shit load of psychosis going on here.
i caution you to observe say what you want and ignore those you think are morons.
the good thing about SCI and your browser is that when you do figure out who they are you can
filter them out.
i on the other hand observe as much as i can and through in my two bits worth every now and
again. i still have hope that one day these clowns will walk out of the cave and see the more
brighter and nearer to complete light of truth.
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the one that deals with
mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My personal religion and
faith are no business of yours, as yours are no business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond
personal faith. Islam is a social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt
and test in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice of the vast
majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any faith, religion or cult that
you want at home. But in a country that has chosen to put Islam in the center of its social
organization, I put my the choice of the majority above the desire of a few confused and
brain washed groups or individuals who don't really know what they want or need. At best
they are just copycats who look at the West and wish they were like Americans or French or
whatever. It is just not possible, and the problem is not Islam. In fact there is no
problem. We are who we are, and if you know your people, your culture and your history, you
wouldn't want to be anything else, but Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the West most
expats of your caliber think their aim in life is to change Iran into America from LA. Good
news is, you can achieve this only in your dreams.
Stat.
sirknight67
2005-07-28 05:28:23 UTC
Permalink
Nver mind the constant verbal diarhea you spill, how come you have
NEVER been able to hold any discussions on this group, especially in
regards to criticism of Islam? How come everytime people like myself or
others who, back in the old days used to merely offer a critique of
Islam without any insults, you used to insult their mothers and
sisters? What a hypocrite you are, you have shown yourself completely
incapbable of stomaching anything other than your own, shallow and
prejudiced view of things, and then offered a miserable and pathetic
opinion which you grandiosley passed as some psychiatric view when you
don't have the degree to squeeze a zit.
In the meantime, you can impress the hell out of everyone by not being
your usual garbage self, shutting the hell up with your judgment and
offensive attacks on people you disagree wtih unless you want to be
treated like shit, as usual.
I fyou want to show you have evolve,d which I truly doubt because you
have proven yourself a helpless troll over and over again over the
years, then shut the fuck up, listen and argue like a human being
instead of the animal you ahve consistently been over the years.
mandela
2005-07-28 05:53:37 UTC
Permalink
Never mind the constant verbal diarhea you spill,
yes sir boss. one rule for you one for the others!
how come you have NEVER been able to hold any discussions on this group, especially in
regards to criticism of Islam?
you are asking me? perhaps you need to go back and search i am yet to find a worthy debater
someone that doesnt drag the discussion into a personal vendeta against islam because they hate
it

i myself am not religious. perhaps this may come as a shock to you, but if you ever botehred
trying to understand what i have to say in the past years perhaps you would get it!

i have consistantly said the same argument but the only thing that you are capable of is
labeling me into some kind of islamic fundementalist, because that suits your world and
reality... SirK when will you open your eyes and stop and take a breath and realise that you are
alive and the world is round and there are people living in all lands beliving in all things big
and small?
How come everytime people like myself or
others who, back in the old days used to merely offer a critique of
Islam without any insults, you used to insult their mothers and
sisters?
i accepted long ago that i did reacted strongly to your insulting posts perhaps you have
forgeten your own posts so dont go around trying to do the same childish crap you always have..
no point accusing, we are here and now and you track record speaks for itself. one day you can
print all the SCI posts of me and yourself and give it to the judge and if he finds me guilty of
"starting it" i will change my real name and bark like a dog.. if that makes you happy... my
question to you is still "who is we and what have you done for your country?"
remember that question? have you managed to answer it yet after all these years?
or are you after more ass whooping?
What a hypocrite you are, you have shown yourself completely
incapbable of stomaching anything other than your own, shallow and
prejudiced view of things, and then offered a miserable and pathetic
opinion which you grandiosley passed as some psychiatric view when you
don't have the degree to squeeze a zit.
am i really based on your says so? intresting that your shit dont stink.. dont you think golden
boy?
In the meantime, you can impress the hell out of everyone by not being
your usual garbage self, shutting the hell up with your judgment and
offensive attacks on people you disagree wtih unless you want to be
treated like shit, as usual.
you have never needed an excuse or permission from me to be your usual charming self so go right
ahead.. i have the ability to live, observe and learn. and i can see that you are your usuall
cute self... have you found a girlfriend yet? or are you still pondering the closet?
I fyou want to show you have evolve,d which I truly doubt because you
have proven yourself a helpless troll over and over again over the
years, then shut the fuck up, listen and argue like a human being
instead of the animal you ahve consistently been over the years.
so if i want to show i have evolved? show to who ? you? i don't need to prove myself to anyone
but me. i don't need to show you anything but who you really are. so SirK after all this time
and even though a clean slate has been offered by my self and i presume you in the beginning of
this post you, yet again, have managed to sink to your usual lowly depths and told me to "shut
the fuck up"

well my dear kooni friend grow the fuck up you SHAIP you.... no matter what you do your sadistic
character manifestation here in SCI is evident to all who have the eye to see it.. and those
who don't will one day grow up and realise... i sure hope you will grow up before you hit 40....
how old are you these days ardalan? 38 and still masturbating?
sirknight67
2005-07-28 06:17:58 UTC
Permalink
I will give you exactly ONE week to act decently. I will ignore your
ridiculous comments about masturbating. You seem totally unable and
incapable to take your mind off the gutter, and it's the ONLY language
you have consistently used in SCI over the years, showing yourself
incapable of anything else. Though you present me with an ideal target
to retaliate to your mindless and childish insults because you so
deserve it, I will not say anything this one time.

I will give you exactly ONE week. I will not respond to any of your
insults and will not return them in that time, You have two choices,
you can insult me at will and take full advantage of the situation to
get any "Oghde" out, or you can take this as an opportunity to redeem
yourself and show that you have evolved beyond the mind of a 5 year old
in the 8 years that you've been here.
you do so, and I will address you as you address me, good or bad,
mirror abck at you, word for word. This will go donw in the record and
anyone that initiates will forever be stained.

Choice is yours. ONE WEEK, until next wednesday
mandela
2005-07-28 06:38:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by sirknight67
I will give you exactly ONE week to act decently.
SirK get off you illusions and wake up.. who do you think you are ? you are pissing people off
left right and centre.... do you thinkl i am pissed off? no i am not belive me i am not your
enemy.. the worst enemy you are facing is the enemy within your own soul... man i am sure i have
told you before.. go take up yoga or something.. relax and start to concentrate on yourself for
a while the net has infected your brain .. you are living in a fantasy.

you can give me a week or a month or an hour it doesnt matter time is the the issue.. it is the
here and now that matters not what you thought in the past nor what you think is in the future..
wake up and understand yourself it doesnt matter that people insult you.. if you think its me or
others.. insults are a part of everyday life you must be strong enough to shake it off ...
anyway one day you will read all these posts again.. at least i hope you will, and you will see
it in a diffrent light.. opn that day i may be dead or alive who knows... i might get run over
tonight so your week is of no consequence!.. but on that day when you look back.... remember
this.... I FORGIVE YOU.. i forgive you for all that you have said and done and felt.. all your
accusations and all your delusions (remember that *I* am calling them delusions they may be very
real for you and some others - now thats why i say you must not take attacks as personal..
there is nothing personal here mister.. if you take it personally than YOU have a problem not
me)

as for the rest of this post well you know if it was paper i would wipe my arse with it!
Post by sirknight67
I will ignore your
ridiculous comments about masturbating. You seem totally unable and
incapable to take your mind off the gutter, and it's the ONLY language
you have consistently used in SCI over the years, showing yourself
incapable of anything else. Though you present me with an ideal target
to retaliate to your mindless and childish insults because you so
deserve it, I will not say anything this one time.
I will give you exactly ONE week. I will not respond to any of your
insults and will not return them in that time, You have two choices,
you can insult me at will and take full advantage of the situation to
get any "Oghde" out, or you can take this as an opportunity to redeem
yourself and show that you have evolved beyond the mind of a 5 year old
in the 8 years that you've been here.
you do so, and I will address you as you address me, good or bad,
mirror abck at you, word for word. This will go donw in the record and
anyone that initiates will forever be stained.
Choice is yours. ONE WEEK, until next wednesday
Deev
2005-07-28 04:59:03 UTC
Permalink
Mandela, the Self hating ..... is getting old, it can be applied just as
well as BITCH ( Brainwashed Islamic ....) , is not time to stop using these
labels? The Shaip and Bitch can be applied very broadly.

As for the civil dialogue and as you say" i respect your opinion but
believe in my own", what is wrong with that? Further who do you really think
comes to SCI?
I am 46, I have kids here who have grown up and could not care less about
Iran, there are those who speak little English and cant participate, there
are those who work so hard, they have no time to sit behind a computer to
spam and then the kids who just pass through as transients and just throw
something in and leave.

The real residents of SCI are those who have been here a long time, know
each other through the posts and just come here to relax and just say their
piece.

Do you really think us old farts, you included are going to change Iran?

Farid
Post by mandela
stat
i don't know how long you been around in SCI but let me wizen you up on
several points... there are a few self hating anti Iranian parasites here
in SCI who will stop at nothing to destroy that which most troubles their
mind... namely their nation and the faith in which they were surrounded
( meaning brought up with doesn't mean they have to be Muslims be it good
or bad)
these SHAIPs do not comprehend logic or reason. many have attempted to
start a civil conversation in order to come to somekind of understanding
even if that understanding is " i respect your opinion but believe in my
own"
there is hate mongering and there is a shit load of psychosis going on here.
i caution you to observe say what you want and ignore those you think are morons.
the good thing about SCI and your browser is that when you do figure out
who they are you can filter them out.
i on the other hand observe as much as i can and through in my two bits
worth every now and again. i still have hope that one day these clowns
will walk out of the cave and see the more brighter and nearer to complete
light of truth.
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the
one that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My
personal religion and faith are no business of yours, as yours are no
business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond personal faith. Islam is a
social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and test
in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice of
the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any
faith, religion or cult that you want at home. But in a country that has
chosen to put Islam in the center of its social organization, I put my
the choice of the majority above the desire of a few confused and brain
washed groups or individuals who don't really know what they want or
need. At best they are just copycats who look at the West and wish they
were like Americans or French or whatever. It is just not possible, and
the problem is not Islam. In fact there is no problem. We are who we are,
and if you know your people, your culture and your history, you wouldn't
want to be anything else, but Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the
West most expats of your caliber think their aim in life is to change
Iran into America from LA. Good news is, you can achieve this only in
your dreams.
Stat.
mandela
2005-07-28 05:28:14 UTC
Permalink
deev
i must confess that i use acronyms to piss one particular person off and that's all.. i know
others such as yourself will shake it off like water off a ducks back.
for reasons i am yet to understand i have made it my mission to get a reaction out of this
particular person in the hope that one day he will get sick of it and start thinking. maybe i am
using a totally in correct method but so far that's the only thing that i know gets a reaction
out of him.. although lately he has managed to refrain from showing it.
anyway in my use of words i am careful and i assure you i will use that acronym sparingly. i
know you are not a SHAIP i have read many of your posts. i don't want to psycho analyse you, but
i will only say that i am glad you are searching.. i hope you find what you need in Baha'i
faith, but i suspect you are on your path to what Einstein referred to as the "cosmic
experience" or in simpler words "the god experience" !
as for your kids i hope they do well and i hope and i am sure you have kept in them alive a
romantic notion of their ancestry.. they will appreciate that.

as for changing the world/Iran absofuckinglutly man.... not only will i change Iran i will
change the world now and for the future generations to come...

if not you and me who?
my friend at 46 it is surely too early to put up your hands and give in to the power mongers
and the system... the butterfly effect may take a long time to cause change, but it does cause
change...
Mandela, the Self hating ..... is getting old, it can be applied just as well as BITCH (
Brainwashed Islamic ....) , is not time to stop using these labels? The Shaip and Bitch can be
applied very broadly.
As for the civil dialogue and as you say" i respect your opinion but believe in my own", what
is wrong with that? Further who do you really think comes to SCI?
I am 46, I have kids here who have grown up and could not care less about Iran, there are
those who speak little English and cant participate, there are those who work so hard, they
have no time to sit behind a computer to spam and then the kids who just pass through as
transients and just throw something in and leave.
The real residents of SCI are those who have been here a long time, know each other through
the posts and just come here to relax and just say their piece.
Do you really think us old farts, you included are going to change Iran?
Farid
Post by mandela
stat
i don't know how long you been around in SCI but let me wizen you up on several points...
there are a few self hating anti Iranian parasites here in SCI who will stop at nothing to
destroy that which most troubles their mind... namely their nation and the faith in which
they were surrounded ( meaning brought up with doesn't mean they have to be Muslims be it
good or bad)
these SHAIPs do not comprehend logic or reason. many have attempted to start a civil
conversation in order to come to somekind of understanding even if that understanding is " i
respect your opinion but believe in my own"
there is hate mongering and there is a shit load of psychosis going on here.
i caution you to observe say what you want and ignore those you think are morons.
the good thing about SCI and your browser is that when you do figure out who they are you can
filter them out.
i on the other hand observe as much as i can and through in my two bits worth every now and
again. i still have hope that one day these clowns will walk out of the cave and see the more
brighter and nearer to complete light of truth.
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the one that deals with
mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My personal religion and
faith are no business of yours, as yours are no business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond
personal faith. Islam is a social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt
and test in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice of the vast
majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any faith, religion or cult that
you want at home. But in a country that has chosen to put Islam in the center of its social
organization, I put my the choice of the majority above the desire of a few confused and
brain washed groups or individuals who don't really know what they want or need. At best
they are just copycats who look at the West and wish they were like Americans or French or
whatever. It is just not possible, and the problem is not Islam. In fact there is no
problem. We are who we are, and if you know your people, your culture and your history, you
wouldn't want to be anything else, but Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the West most
expats of your caliber think their aim in life is to change Iran into America from LA. Good
news is, you can achieve this only in your dreams.
Stat.
Deev
2005-07-28 06:30:43 UTC
Permalink
Then that is childish. It gives him the same right to react the way he does.

I am no longer searching, I am content and happy in my place on earth.
Now I am in the process of building something for my kids. As for SCI, it is
a release for me to come back here and see everyone, laugh at Albroz and his
comments, At MG's sense of humor, at Sir's tirades and get into discussions
which I enjoy and keep my mind active.

I have attacked Bahais who use this as a forum for teaching and likewise I
do the same to those who espouse one idea and want to promote it over the
objections of others.I have tried to live as an Iranian in my own version.

As for my kids they both have Iranian names, but they cheer for Canada
first. I suppose that is the nature of being born in comfort and roots here.

As for changing Iran, two third of the posts here are by three or four
people. Who do you think actually reads SCI? The same old farts like me
that have found a place here to hang out. I actually believe those with
real jobs, don't come here regularly. If they do, they are doing it at work,
like me. or simply are in a wheel chair and cant get out.

Late at night, I may be incoherent.
Post by mandela
deev
i must confess that i use acronyms to piss one particular person off and
that's all.. i know others such as yourself will shake it off like water
off a ducks back.
for reasons i am yet to understand i have made it my mission to get a
reaction out of this particular person in the hope that one day he will
get sick of it and start thinking. maybe i am using a totally in correct
method but so far that's the only thing that i know gets a reaction out of
him.. although lately he has managed to refrain from showing it.
anyway in my use of words i am careful and i assure you i will use that
acronym sparingly. i know you are not a SHAIP i have read many of your
posts. i don't want to psycho analyse you, but i will only say that i am
glad you are searching.. i hope you find what you need in Baha'i faith,
but i suspect you are on your path to what Einstein referred to as the
"cosmic
experience" or in simpler words "the god experience" !
as for your kids i hope they do well and i hope and i am sure you have
kept in them alive a romantic notion of their ancestry.. they will
appreciate that.
as for changing the world/Iran absofuckinglutly man.... not only will i
change Iran i will change the world now and for the future generations to
come...
if not you and me who?
my friend at 46 it is surely too early to put up your hands and give in
to the power mongers and the system... the butterfly effect may take a
long time to cause change, but it does cause change...
Post by Deev
Mandela, the Self hating ..... is getting old, it can be applied just as
well as BITCH ( Brainwashed Islamic ....) , is not time to stop using
these labels? The Shaip and Bitch can be applied very broadly.
As for the civil dialogue and as you say" i respect your opinion but
believe in my own", what is wrong with that? Further who do you really
think comes to SCI?
I am 46, I have kids here who have grown up and could not care less about
Iran, there are those who speak little English and cant participate,
there are those who work so hard, they have no time to sit behind a
computer to spam and then the kids who just pass through as transients
and just throw something in and leave.
The real residents of SCI are those who have been here a long time, know
each other through the posts and just come here to relax and just say
their piece.
Do you really think us old farts, you included are going to change Iran?
Farid
Post by mandela
stat
i don't know how long you been around in SCI but let me wizen you up on
several points... there are a few self hating anti Iranian parasites
here in SCI who will stop at nothing to destroy that which most troubles
their mind... namely their nation and the faith in which they were
surrounded ( meaning brought up with doesn't mean they have to be
Muslims be it good or bad)
these SHAIPs do not comprehend logic or reason. many have attempted to
start a civil conversation in order to come to somekind of understanding
even if that understanding is " i respect your opinion but believe in my
own"
there is hate mongering and there is a shit load of psychosis going on here.
i caution you to observe say what you want and ignore those you think are morons.
the good thing about SCI and your browser is that when you do figure out
who they are you can filter them out.
i on the other hand observe as much as i can and through in my two bits
worth every now and again. i still have hope that one day these clowns
will walk out of the cave and see the more brighter and nearer to
complete light of truth.
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the
one that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My
personal religion and faith are no business of yours, as yours are no
business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond personal faith. Islam is a
social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and test
in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice
of the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice
any faith, religion or cult that you want at home. But in a country
that has chosen to put Islam in the center of its social organization,
I put my the choice of the majority above the desire of a few confused
and brain washed groups or individuals who don't really know what they
want or need. At best they are just copycats who look at the West and
wish they were like Americans or French or whatever. It is just not
possible, and the problem is not Islam. In fact there is no problem. We
are who we are, and if you know your people, your culture and your
history, you wouldn't want to be anything else, but Iranian. But
unfortunately, here in the West most expats of your caliber think their
aim in life is to change Iran into America from LA. Good news is, you
can achieve this only in your dreams.
Stat.
mandela
2005-07-28 06:57:29 UTC
Permalink
not at all .. i understand...

i agree with your comments but i believe there is more readers here than it seems.

as for the childishness i would be the first to tell you that yes its childish and i agree with
you 100%. there is no question that what goes on between myself and that one particular poster
is extremely childish.. however other language has failed and in face of logical text he resorts
to childishness... frankly after so many years i give him opportunities to debate yet he
continues .. so i hammer him his way! he cant hack it and it gets worse.

i am hoping that he will change so that logic can prevail. in the meantime he has every
opportunity to act civil. but for every insult he throughs at me he will get ten back. not
because i don't know what i am doing, but for the fact that he must realise one day that some
people will not sit back. some people might shoot/stab or cut your throat if you insult their
religion or political views. perhaps i am wrong and i shouldn't care. but i think he is a
country man and needs my help even if he ends up biting the hand that helps.

i will try to think about this too....
Post by Deev
Then that is childish. It gives him the same right to react the way he does.
I am no longer searching, I am content and happy in my place on earth.
Now I am in the process of building something for my kids. As for SCI, it is a release for me
to come back here and see everyone, laugh at Albroz and his comments, At MG's sense of humor,
at Sir's tirades and get into discussions which I enjoy and keep my mind active.
I have attacked Bahais who use this as a forum for teaching and likewise I do the same to
those who espouse one idea and want to promote it over the objections of others.I have tried
to live as an Iranian in my own version.
As for my kids they both have Iranian names, but they cheer for Canada first. I suppose that
is the nature of being born in comfort and roots here.
As for changing Iran, two third of the posts here are by three or four people. Who do you
think actually reads SCI? The same old farts like me that have found a place here to hang out.
I actually believe those with real jobs, don't come here regularly. If they do, they are doing
it at work, like me. or simply are in a wheel chair and cant get out.
Late at night, I may be incoherent.
Post by mandela
deev
i must confess that i use acronyms to piss one particular person off and that's all.. i know
others such as yourself will shake it off like water off a ducks back.
for reasons i am yet to understand i have made it my mission to get a reaction out of this
particular person in the hope that one day he will get sick of it and start thinking. maybe i
am using a totally in correct method but so far that's the only thing that i know gets a
reaction out of him.. although lately he has managed to refrain from showing it.
anyway in my use of words i am careful and i assure you i will use that acronym sparingly. i
know you are not a SHAIP i have read many of your posts. i don't want to psycho analyse you,
but i will only say that i am glad you are searching.. i hope you find what you need in
Baha'i faith, but i suspect you are on your path to what Einstein referred to as the "cosmic
experience" or in simpler words "the god experience" !
as for your kids i hope they do well and i hope and i am sure you have kept in them alive a
romantic notion of their ancestry.. they will appreciate that.
as for changing the world/Iran absofuckinglutly man.... not only will i change Iran i will
change the world now and for the future generations to come...
if not you and me who?
my friend at 46 it is surely too early to put up your hands and give in to the power mongers
and the system... the butterfly effect may take a long time to cause change, but it does
cause change...
Mandela, the Self hating ..... is getting old, it can be applied just as well as BITCH (
Brainwashed Islamic ....) , is not time to stop using these labels? The Shaip and Bitch can
be applied very broadly.
As for the civil dialogue and as you say" i respect your opinion but believe in my own",
what is wrong with that? Further who do you really think comes to SCI?
I am 46, I have kids here who have grown up and could not care less about Iran, there are
those who speak little English and cant participate, there are those who work so hard, they
have no time to sit behind a computer to spam and then the kids who just pass through as
transients and just throw something in and leave.
The real residents of SCI are those who have been here a long time, know each other through
the posts and just come here to relax and just say their piece.
Do you really think us old farts, you included are going to change Iran?
Farid
Post by mandela
stat
i don't know how long you been around in SCI but let me wizen you up on several points...
there are a few self hating anti Iranian parasites here in SCI who will stop at nothing to
destroy that which most troubles their mind... namely their nation and the faith in which
they were surrounded ( meaning brought up with doesn't mean they have to be Muslims be it
good or bad)
these SHAIPs do not comprehend logic or reason. many have attempted to start a civil
conversation in order to come to somekind of understanding even if that understanding is "
i respect your opinion but believe in my own"
there is hate mongering and there is a shit load of psychosis going on here.
i caution you to observe say what you want and ignore those you think are morons.
the good thing about SCI and your browser is that when you do figure out who they are you
can filter them out.
i on the other hand observe as much as i can and through in my two bits worth every now and
again. i still have hope that one day these clowns will walk out of the cave and see the
more brighter and nearer to complete light of truth.
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the one that deals
with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My personal religion and
faith are no business of yours, as yours are no business of mine. However, Islam goes
beyond personal faith. Islam is a social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to
adopt and test in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice of
the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any faith, religion or
cult that you want at home. But in a country that has chosen to put Islam in the center of
its social organization, I put my the choice of the majority above the desire of a few
confused and brain washed groups or individuals who don't really know what they want or
need. At best they are just copycats who look at the West and wish they were like
Americans or French or whatever. It is just not possible, and the problem is not Islam. In
fact there is no problem. We are who we are, and if you know your people, your culture and
your history, you wouldn't want to be anything else, but Iranian. But unfortunately, here
in the West most expats of your caliber think their aim in life is to change Iran into
America from LA. Good news is, you can achieve this only in your dreams.
Stat.
sirknight67
2005-07-28 07:09:51 UTC
Permalink
you're just totally contradicted yourself. First of all, it is I who
ahve given you th chances, and you who have not act5ed upon them but
that is besides the point. You said you have like this mission to teach
"taht particular person" taht these words, insults etc...don't mean
anything? Then why make such a fuss when that particular person throws
them at you?
Second point, if these words are meaningless andmean nothing, just
typing on paper, then why shoul dsome people wnat to STAB, CUT THROAT
etc...like you said for "insulting" political views and religion? Then
maybe you should turn your attention to those people who would take
things in such a light and resort to such violence if such insults
truly are meaningless and one shouldn't take to heart.
Truth is however, people out there are getting KILLED andmurdered for
simply doubting mildly the political views and religion that you
mentioned. There lies the problem then, according to you...not in the
criticism and the words, which then shouldn't be an issue for you, but
rather, that there are people in this world that are so messed up in he
head that would MURDER and use violence because one does not agree wtih
them.

Thanks for making that point, I have been stating that for years now.
mandela
2005-07-28 07:25:35 UTC
Permalink
who is talking about you nokhode har Ash!?

your debate and mine is seperate to my chat with deev.
but if you feel you would like to talk about your behaviour with me and deev lets open a new
thread.. my discussion with him is about a third party.. why do you assume its you?

as for your points now that you have raised it...
make fuss throws them at you?
well if we are to say that it is you, hypothetically, than i havent made a fuss... i havent
shouted to all .. check out your mashghasem post and tell me what fuss is again SirK
Second point, if these words are meaningless andmean nothing, just
typing on paper, then why shoul dsome people wnat to STAB, CUT THROAT
etc...like you said for "insulting" political views and religion?
the same reasons why serbs would bash you up if they think you are american because you speak
english!
there is nutters out there and if you dont get that point than you are a lost cause...
Then
maybe you should turn your attention to those people who would take
things in such a light and resort to such violence if such insults
truly are meaningless and one shouldn't take to heart.
i turn my attention where is ee a need.. "those people" have their realities in a way that
there are others who will sort them out.. i know where my calling is...
Truth is however, people out there are getting KILLED andmurdered for
simply doubting mildly the political views and religion that you
mentioned.
truth? whose truth? what is this truth you talk about? where are your points? evidence? and
argument? no spin mind you... lets see it. thsi talk is a whole diffrent issue to what we are
saying above and the next statement below.. why do you confuse everything into such a simple
base? life is not that simple you can not oversimplify and than draw conclusions and start a one
man war! that is simply and plainly stupid.
There lies the problem then, according to you...not in the
criticism and the words, which then shouldn't be an issue for you, but
rather, that there are people in this world that are so messed up in he
head that would MURDER and use violence because one does not agree wtih
them.
yes there are people like that it doesnt take a genious to figuer that out... the point is how
do you build your arguments in order to put your views forward... and what is your aim from
that.. if it is to change the world than what have you acheived... so i ask you again... what
have you done for YOUR country?
Thanks for making that point, I have been stating that for years now.
dito
Deev
2005-07-28 16:15:11 UTC
Permalink
SCI does not have a sheriff or mayor, you dont need my permission for
anything.
But please keep things civil.
Post by mandela
who is talking about you nokhode har Ash!?
your debate and mine is seperate to my chat with deev.
but if you feel you would like to talk about your behaviour with me and
deev lets open a new thread.. my discussion with him is about a third
party.. why do you assume its you?
as for your points now that you have raised it...
make fuss throws them at you?
well if we are to say that it is you, hypothetically, than i havent made a
fuss... i havent shouted to all .. check out your mashghasem post and tell
me what fuss is again SirK
Second point, if these words are meaningless andmean nothing, just
typing on paper, then why shoul dsome people wnat to STAB, CUT THROAT
etc...like you said for "insulting" political views and religion?
the same reasons why serbs would bash you up if they think you are
american because you speak english!
there is nutters out there and if you dont get that point than you are a lost cause...
Then
maybe you should turn your attention to those people who would take
things in such a light and resort to such violence if such insults
truly are meaningless and one shouldn't take to heart.
i turn my attention where is ee a need.. "those people" have their
realities in a way that there are others who will sort them out.. i know
where my calling is...
Truth is however, people out there are getting KILLED andmurdered for
simply doubting mildly the political views and religion that you
mentioned.
truth? whose truth? what is this truth you talk about? where are your
points? evidence? and argument? no spin mind you... lets see it. thsi talk
is a whole diffrent issue to what we are saying above and the next
statement below.. why do you confuse everything into such a simple base?
life is not that simple you can not oversimplify and than draw conclusions
and start a one man war! that is simply and plainly stupid.
There lies the problem then, according to you...not in the
criticism and the words, which then shouldn't be an issue for you, but
rather, that there are people in this world that are so messed up in he
head that would MURDER and use violence because one does not agree wtih
them.
yes there are people like that it doesnt take a genious to figuer that
out... the point is how do you build your arguments in order to put your
views forward... and what is your aim from that.. if it is to change the
world than what have you acheived... so i ask you again... what have you
done for YOUR country?
Thanks for making that point, I have been stating that for years now.
dito
Deev
2005-07-28 16:19:46 UTC
Permalink
Mandela, I have met Sir on a couple of my trips. He is not like what you
think, he is an unassuming man, fervently Persian to the degree of
fanaticism and loves to be left alone to post his fascinating articles and
publish his great magazine.
He lives for this, and he did not start the swearing, come to think of it, I
just don't believe he knew so many bad words for aguy who did not grow up in
Iran.

His mentors have told him to also stop the swearing, but he has taken the
same stance with them as what he has stated here. I have had on several
occasions had the same discussions with him to not swear and use his
intellect. He is who he is and that's it.

As for theirs, they are the low life's, talking about what he does on his
free time, what site he visits or what time he sleeps, and try to provoke
him. He on the other hand is the most predictable of all the SCI-ers.

Farid
Post by mandela
not at all .. i understand...
i agree with your comments but i believe there is more readers here than it seems.
as for the childishness i would be the first to tell you that yes its
childish and i agree with you 100%. there is no question that what goes on
between myself and that one particular poster is extremely childish..
however other language has failed and in face of logical text he resorts
to childishness... frankly after so many years i give him opportunities
to debate yet he continues .. so i hammer him his way! he cant hack it and
it gets worse.
i am hoping that he will change so that logic can prevail. in the meantime
he has every opportunity to act civil. but for every insult he throughs at
me he will get ten back. not because i don't know what i am doing, but for
the fact that he must realise one day that some people will not sit back.
some people might shoot/stab or cut your throat if you insult their
religion or political views. perhaps i am wrong and i shouldn't care. but
i think he is a country man and needs my help even if he ends up biting
the hand that helps.
i will try to think about this too....
Post by Deev
Then that is childish. It gives him the same right to react the way he does.
I am no longer searching, I am content and happy in my place on earth.
Now I am in the process of building something for my kids. As for SCI, it
is a release for me to come back here and see everyone, laugh at Albroz
and his comments, At MG's sense of humor, at Sir's tirades and get into
discussions which I enjoy and keep my mind active.
I have attacked Bahais who use this as a forum for teaching and likewise
I do the same to those who espouse one idea and want to promote it over
the objections of others.I have tried to live as an Iranian in my own
version.
As for my kids they both have Iranian names, but they cheer for Canada
first. I suppose that is the nature of being born in comfort and roots here.
As for changing Iran, two third of the posts here are by three or four
people. Who do you think actually reads SCI? The same old farts like me
that have found a place here to hang out. I actually believe those with
real jobs, don't come here regularly. If they do, they are doing it at
work, like me. or simply are in a wheel chair and cant get out.
Late at night, I may be incoherent.
Post by mandela
deev
i must confess that i use acronyms to piss one particular person off and
that's all.. i know others such as yourself will shake it off like water
off a ducks back.
for reasons i am yet to understand i have made it my mission to get a
reaction out of this particular person in the hope that one day he will
get sick of it and start thinking. maybe i am using a totally in correct
method but so far that's the only thing that i know gets a reaction out
of him.. although lately he has managed to refrain from showing it.
anyway in my use of words i am careful and i assure you i will use that
acronym sparingly. i know you are not a SHAIP i have read many of your
posts. i don't want to psycho analyse you, but i will only say that i am
glad you are searching.. i hope you find what you need in Baha'i faith,
but i suspect you are on your path to what Einstein referred to as the
"cosmic
experience" or in simpler words "the god experience" !
as for your kids i hope they do well and i hope and i am sure you have
kept in them alive a romantic notion of their ancestry.. they will
appreciate that.
as for changing the world/Iran absofuckinglutly man.... not only will i
change Iran i will change the world now and for the future generations
to come...
if not you and me who?
my friend at 46 it is surely too early to put up your hands and give in
to the power mongers and the system... the butterfly effect may take a
long time to cause change, but it does cause change...
Post by Deev
Mandela, the Self hating ..... is getting old, it can be applied just
as well as BITCH ( Brainwashed Islamic ....) , is not time to stop
using these labels? The Shaip and Bitch can be applied very broadly.
As for the civil dialogue and as you say" i respect your opinion but
believe in my own", what is wrong with that? Further who do you really
think comes to SCI?
I am 46, I have kids here who have grown up and could not care less
about Iran, there are those who speak little English and cant
participate, there are those who work so hard, they have no time to sit
behind a computer to spam and then the kids who just pass through as
transients and just throw something in and leave.
The real residents of SCI are those who have been here a long time,
know each other through the posts and just come here to relax and just
say their piece.
Do you really think us old farts, you included are going to change Iran?
Farid
Post by mandela
stat
i don't know how long you been around in SCI but let me wizen you up
on several points... there are a few self hating anti Iranian
parasites here in SCI who will stop at nothing to destroy that which
most troubles their mind... namely their nation and the faith in which
they were surrounded ( meaning brought up with doesn't mean they have
to be Muslims be it good or bad)
these SHAIPs do not comprehend logic or reason. many have attempted to
start a civil conversation in order to come to somekind of
understanding even if that understanding is " i respect your opinion
but believe in my own"
there is hate mongering and there is a shit load of psychosis going on here.
i caution you to observe say what you want and ignore those you think are morons.
the good thing about SCI and your browser is that when you do figure
out who they are you can filter them out.
i on the other hand observe as much as i can and through in my two
bits worth every now and again. i still have hope that one day these
clowns will walk out of the cave and see the more brighter and nearer
to complete light of truth.
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or
the one that deals with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My
personal religion and faith are no business of yours, as yours are no
business of mine. However, Islam goes beyond personal faith. Islam is
a social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen to adopt and
test in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the
choice of the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to
practice any faith, religion or cult that you want at home. But in a
country that has chosen to put Islam in the center of its social
organization, I put my the choice of the majority above the desire of
a few confused and brain washed groups or individuals who don't
really know what they want or need. At best they are just copycats
who look at the West and wish they were like Americans or French or
whatever. It is just not possible, and the problem is not Islam. In
fact there is no problem. We are who we are, and if you know your
people, your culture and your history, you wouldn't want to be
anything else, but Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the West most
expats of your caliber think their aim in life is to change Iran into
America from LA. Good news is, you can achieve this only in your dreams.
Stat.
mandela
2005-07-30 08:26:28 UTC
Permalink
yes you are right. and the mistake he made with me was to label me and accuse me blindly, and i
am not one to sit back and remain silent. more so i am the type of person who will be the devils
advocate in order to push along arguments and thought in order to fan out ideas and learn from
them.
anyway i have said before and i say again i admire his sense of pride in his nation and in his
roots, i hate and will fight his racism, his assaults on peoples beliefs and his narrow
mindedness.

anyway i am moving on so will leave it at that...
cheers
Mandela, I have met Sir on a couple of my trips. He is not like what you think, he is an
unassuming man, fervently Persian to the degree of fanaticism and loves to be left alone to
post his fascinating articles and publish his great magazine.
He lives for this, and he did not start the swearing, come to think of it, I just don't
believe he knew so many bad words for aguy who did not grow up in Iran.
His mentors have told him to also stop the swearing, but he has taken the same stance with
them as what he has stated here. I have had on several occasions had the same discussions with
him to not swear and use his intellect. He is who he is and that's it.
As for theirs, they are the low life's, talking about what he does on his free time, what site
he visits or what time he sleeps, and try to provoke him. He on the other hand is the most
predictable of all the SCI-ers.
Farid
Post by mandela
not at all .. i understand...
i agree with your comments but i believe there is more readers here than it seems.
as for the childishness i would be the first to tell you that yes its childish and i agree
with you 100%. there is no question that what goes on between myself and that one particular
poster is extremely childish.. however other language has failed and in face of logical text
he resorts to childishness... frankly after so many years i give him opportunities to debate
yet he continues .. so i hammer him his way! he cant hack it and it gets worse.
i am hoping that he will change so that logic can prevail. in the meantime he has every
opportunity to act civil. but for every insult he throughs at me he will get ten back. not
because i don't know what i am doing, but for the fact that he must realise one day that some
people will not sit back. some people might shoot/stab or cut your throat if you insult their
religion or political views. perhaps i am wrong and i shouldn't care. but i think he is a
country man and needs my help even if he ends up biting the hand that helps.
i will try to think about this too....
Post by Deev
Then that is childish. It gives him the same right to react the way he does.
I am no longer searching, I am content and happy in my place on earth.
Now I am in the process of building something for my kids. As for SCI, it is a release for
me to come back here and see everyone, laugh at Albroz and his comments, At MG's sense of
humor, at Sir's tirades and get into discussions which I enjoy and keep my mind active.
I have attacked Bahais who use this as a forum for teaching and likewise I do the same to
those who espouse one idea and want to promote it over the objections of others.I have tried
to live as an Iranian in my own version.
As for my kids they both have Iranian names, but they cheer for Canada first. I suppose that
is the nature of being born in comfort and roots here.
As for changing Iran, two third of the posts here are by three or four people. Who do you
think actually reads SCI? The same old farts like me that have found a place here to hang
out. I actually believe those with real jobs, don't come here regularly. If they do, they
are doing it at work, like me. or simply are in a wheel chair and cant get out.
Late at night, I may be incoherent.
Post by mandela
deev
i must confess that i use acronyms to piss one particular person off and that's all.. i
know others such as yourself will shake it off like water off a ducks back.
for reasons i am yet to understand i have made it my mission to get a reaction out of this
particular person in the hope that one day he will get sick of it and start thinking. maybe
i am using a totally in correct method but so far that's the only thing that i know gets a
reaction out of him.. although lately he has managed to refrain from showing it.
anyway in my use of words i am careful and i assure you i will use that acronym sparingly.
i know you are not a SHAIP i have read many of your posts. i don't want to psycho analyse
you, but i will only say that i am glad you are searching.. i hope you find what you need
in Baha'i faith, but i suspect you are on your path to what Einstein referred to as the
"cosmic
experience" or in simpler words "the god experience" !
as for your kids i hope they do well and i hope and i am sure you have kept in them alive a
romantic notion of their ancestry.. they will appreciate that.
as for changing the world/Iran absofuckinglutly man.... not only will i change Iran i will
change the world now and for the future generations to come...
if not you and me who?
my friend at 46 it is surely too early to put up your hands and give in to the power
mongers and the system... the butterfly effect may take a long time to cause change, but it
does cause change...
Mandela, the Self hating ..... is getting old, it can be applied just as well as BITCH (
Brainwashed Islamic ....) , is not time to stop using these labels? The Shaip and Bitch
can be applied very broadly.
As for the civil dialogue and as you say" i respect your opinion but believe in my own",
what is wrong with that? Further who do you really think comes to SCI?
I am 46, I have kids here who have grown up and could not care less about Iran, there are
those who speak little English and cant participate, there are those who work so hard,
they have no time to sit behind a computer to spam and then the kids who just pass through
as transients and just throw something in and leave.
The real residents of SCI are those who have been here a long time, know each other
through the posts and just come here to relax and just say their piece.
Do you really think us old farts, you included are going to change Iran?
Farid
Post by mandela
stat
i don't know how long you been around in SCI but let me wizen you up on several points...
there are a few self hating anti Iranian parasites here in SCI who will stop at nothing
to destroy that which most troubles their mind... namely their nation and the faith in
which they were surrounded ( meaning brought up with doesn't mean they have to be Muslims
be it good or bad)
these SHAIPs do not comprehend logic or reason. many have attempted to start a civil
conversation in order to come to somekind of understanding even if that understanding is
" i respect your opinion but believe in my own"
there is hate mongering and there is a shit load of psychosis going on here.
i caution you to observe say what you want and ignore those you think are morons.
the good thing about SCI and your browser is that when you do figure out who they are you
can filter them out.
i on the other hand observe as much as i can and through in my two bits worth every now
and again. i still have hope that one day these clowns will walk out of the cave and see
the more brighter and nearer to complete light of truth.
Stat which branch of Islam do you represent? The screwed up one or the one that deals
with mothers who have get laid to get paid?
I don't represent any branch of Islam. I just represent myself. My personal religion and
faith are no business of yours, as yours are no business of mine. However, Islam goes
beyond personal faith. Islam is a social philosophy that the Iranian people have chosen
to adopt and test in this period of our history. Bashing Islam is spitting on the choice
of the vast majority of Iranians. I will defend your right to practice any faith,
religion or cult that you want at home. But in a country that has chosen to put Islam in
the center of its social organization, I put my the choice of the majority above the
desire of a few confused and brain washed groups or individuals who don't really know
what they want or need. At best they are just copycats who look at the West and wish
they were like Americans or French or whatever. It is just not possible, and the problem
is not Islam. In fact there is no problem. We are who we are, and if you know your
people, your culture and your history, you wouldn't want to be anything else, but
Iranian. But unfortunately, here in the West most expats of your caliber think their aim
in life is to change Iran into America from LA. Good news is, you can achieve this only
in your dreams.
Stat.
ªk½ü¤jªk¦n
2005-07-27 02:13:20 UTC
Permalink
HATE IS THE ENEMY (Not Islam)
Post by Deev
Sir doost gerami
I am glad you finally saw this, I was hoping someone would notice it.
My reason is simple, Islam today as practiced by the greater majority of its
adherents is full of crap and nothing but superstition, dogma and hypocrisy.
I agree with all your points 1, 2 and 3.
But my reason for making the comments I do and have done is different, I
think that a) It could not have sustained its growth unless it was divine in
nature, b) it could not maintain converts if it was unjust all the time and
did not help society and c) I give our ancestors credit for keeping the
faith in spite of the foreign nature that it did have.
In other words, we have been strong enough under various shah's to pull away
or convert back to Zoroastrianism or anything else for that matter, but did
not do so. So As a nation we kept it, with some trepidation, because we felt
a divinity in it.
Finally , if it was not divine in origin and inspiration, it could not have
built a civilization of equals that have left tremendous legacy or impact on
our world today. Every letter we type on the computer has the legacy of
Islam in it.
The Arabs with all their stupidity and ignorance can not pull up their own
pants, have always been dominated by Persians, Turks, Europeans . How is it
possible that they could have been able to sustain such a global impact on
the world unless it had some divine inspiration? Any way I look at it, to me
at least , I see that to be evident .
I also believe because it became corrupt, degenerated and became far removed
form its origin, Faggot Jahel is a perfect example of its present followers,
the holy wind that supported it stopped and it has fallen into an abyss of
darkness and people see it for what its followers are doing.
The apologetics keep trying to revive its former glory by interpreting its
verses, in such a way that it completely back fires when confronted with
comments like yours.
In closing, I do believe it was Devine in origin, I also believe it is
nothing today like it was previously when it made so many contributions to
civilization.( This does not mean by the way that all those who contributed
where in fact Arab, but rather they did infact believe the words of Mohammad
to be heavenly and nothing more.
Post by Sirknight67
Deev jan
several times you have posted responses that sort of surprised me,
coming from you. In a nutshell, you say that islam is no longer what it
was, that it is now corrupt, an dthat it was once good because people
accepted it.
You couldn't be further away from the truth. I am surprised that you, a
former muslim and now a practitioner of Bahaism would say something
like this. First of all, the fact tthat you converted out of Islam,
like I did, means that you obviously saw things wrong with it that did
not appeal to you and that you searched for something better (anything
is better in fact).
You assume that at some point, islam was something good because as you
put it, your coutnrymen are intelligent and they would not make a
choice if that choice didn't make sense. Once again, you are far from
the actual fact.
If you look at the history of the way islam was spread in Iran (then
1) Conversions by the sword an dby force, that started from Qom in the
7th cnetury, all the way to conversion by force of northern Yazdi
villages in the 19th century
2) Conversions of opportunism such as Saman Khoda, founder of the
Samanid dynasty who converted to thank his arab patron and governor of
Khorassan for helping him fight another fellow Zoroastrian persian and
take over his possessions and villages, or cases such as Mazyar Karen
who "converted" so to speak because he was dispossed of his lands by
Shahryar Bavand and unless he received aid from the Caliph in term so
ftroops and money, he would have been a homeless bum, like Pacifist.
Then there were the Buyid brothers hwose father converted to Islam in
order to secure a favorable position in the army and with the Caliph.
There were the "conversion" of traitors like a Sassanian elite unite
guard of Asavaran led by Syah, who didn't even know about islam or
koran and yet joined the arabs, demanded to be paid 2,500 Derham
(higher than arab warriors!), and be given the land of those enemies
they fought.
There was the "conversion" of Marzban Farrokhan who joined the arabs to
get thelands of the familly and nobles that opposed his accession to
power etc...
3) conversions for reasons of faith, being in the tiniest minority.
If islam had truly inspired the majoirty of Persians, it would not have
taken 3-4 centuries for the population of Persia to pass the 50%
mohammedan bar. Droves of Zoroastrians would have answered Salman Pars'
call to beocme mohammedan, which they did not, just like the millions
of soldiers, civilians, farmers etc...who accoridng to historical
records, opted to pay poll tax instead of converting.
Now if you did just a tiny bit of research instead of relying on the
goodwill of your fellow countrymen who are composed of a great numner
of opportunists and asshole followers and motherwhoring douche bags
that jump on any band wagon to serve their own interests and personal
ambitions, you would see that Islam was IMPOSED by force of arms on
Iran.
Now this decadence of islam that you claim took place...well look at
the koran and Hadiths. These are NOTHING NEW. They have been in palce
for at least 1,000 years and Islamic sharia has been imposed with
brutality since then, only you don't know about it. You are assuming
that at one point Islam made sense and now, it's been corrupted.
CAN YOU PROVE THIS BY ANY MEANS AT ALL?
I doubt you can because you see aziz, islam's WORD has been the same
then as now so to make such an assumption would require proof that the
texts and scriptures were wonderful and dandy at one point and someone
came and corrupted them or misinterpreted them. That is not the case.
These texts were not altered and thus, you are totally wrong in
assuming that there ever was anything in islam but the pile of shit you
see thse scum mohammedan sons of whores spew before the media each day.
So please, please, stop wtih the politically correct stuff will you? We
don't need to blow smoke up the ass of these motherwhoring mohammedans,
let's say it as it REALLY IS. I am tired of people trying to appease
and downplay what islam really is: a hatefilled, prejudiced and brutal
cult of rape, murder and theft.
Deev
2005-07-27 02:57:55 UTC
Permalink
Boro dareto bezar, bache kee toro adam hesab karde in vasat vagh vagh
meekonee.
Post by ªk½ü¤jªk¦n
HATE IS THE ENEMY (Not Islam)
Post by Deev
Sir doost gerami
I am glad you finally saw this, I was hoping someone would notice it.
My reason is simple, Islam today as practiced by the greater majority of its
adherents is full of crap and nothing but superstition, dogma and hypocrisy.
I agree with all your points 1, 2 and 3.
But my reason for making the comments I do and have done is different, I
think that a) It could not have sustained its growth unless it was divine in
nature, b) it could not maintain converts if it was unjust all the time and
did not help society and c) I give our ancestors credit for keeping the
faith in spite of the foreign nature that it did have.
In other words, we have been strong enough under various shah's to pull away
or convert back to Zoroastrianism or anything else for that matter, but did
not do so. So As a nation we kept it, with some trepidation, because we felt
a divinity in it.
Finally , if it was not divine in origin and inspiration, it could not have
built a civilization of equals that have left tremendous legacy or impact on
our world today. Every letter we type on the computer has the legacy of
Islam in it.
The Arabs with all their stupidity and ignorance can not pull up their own
pants, have always been dominated by Persians, Turks, Europeans . How is it
possible that they could have been able to sustain such a global impact on
the world unless it had some divine inspiration? Any way I look at it, to me
at least , I see that to be evident .
I also believe because it became corrupt, degenerated and became far removed
form its origin, Faggot Jahel is a perfect example of its present followers,
the holy wind that supported it stopped and it has fallen into an abyss of
darkness and people see it for what its followers are doing.
The apologetics keep trying to revive its former glory by interpreting its
verses, in such a way that it completely back fires when confronted with
comments like yours.
In closing, I do believe it was Devine in origin, I also believe it is
nothing today like it was previously when it made so many contributions to
civilization.( This does not mean by the way that all those who contributed
where in fact Arab, but rather they did infact believe the words of Mohammad
to be heavenly and nothing more.
Post by Sirknight67
Deev jan
several times you have posted responses that sort of surprised me,
coming from you. In a nutshell, you say that islam is no longer what it
was, that it is now corrupt, an dthat it was once good because people
accepted it.
You couldn't be further away from the truth. I am surprised that you, a
former muslim and now a practitioner of Bahaism would say something
like this. First of all, the fact tthat you converted out of Islam,
like I did, means that you obviously saw things wrong with it that did
not appeal to you and that you searched for something better (anything
is better in fact).
You assume that at some point, islam was something good because as you
put it, your coutnrymen are intelligent and they would not make a
choice if that choice didn't make sense. Once again, you are far from
the actual fact.
If you look at the history of the way islam was spread in Iran (then
1) Conversions by the sword an dby force, that started from Qom in the
7th cnetury, all the way to conversion by force of northern Yazdi
villages in the 19th century
2) Conversions of opportunism such as Saman Khoda, founder of the
Samanid dynasty who converted to thank his arab patron and governor of
Khorassan for helping him fight another fellow Zoroastrian persian and
take over his possessions and villages, or cases such as Mazyar Karen
who "converted" so to speak because he was dispossed of his lands by
Shahryar Bavand and unless he received aid from the Caliph in term so
ftroops and money, he would have been a homeless bum, like Pacifist.
Then there were the Buyid brothers hwose father converted to Islam in
order to secure a favorable position in the army and with the Caliph.
There were the "conversion" of traitors like a Sassanian elite unite
guard of Asavaran led by Syah, who didn't even know about islam or
koran and yet joined the arabs, demanded to be paid 2,500 Derham
(higher than arab warriors!), and be given the land of those enemies
they fought.
There was the "conversion" of Marzban Farrokhan who joined the arabs to
get thelands of the familly and nobles that opposed his accession to
power etc...
3) conversions for reasons of faith, being in the tiniest minority.
If islam had truly inspired the majoirty of Persians, it would not have
taken 3-4 centuries for the population of Persia to pass the 50%
mohammedan bar. Droves of Zoroastrians would have answered Salman Pars'
call to beocme mohammedan, which they did not, just like the millions
of soldiers, civilians, farmers etc...who accoridng to historical
records, opted to pay poll tax instead of converting.
Now if you did just a tiny bit of research instead of relying on the
goodwill of your fellow countrymen who are composed of a great numner
of opportunists and asshole followers and motherwhoring douche bags
that jump on any band wagon to serve their own interests and personal
ambitions, you would see that Islam was IMPOSED by force of arms on
Iran.
Now this decadence of islam that you claim took place...well look at
the koran and Hadiths. These are NOTHING NEW. They have been in palce
for at least 1,000 years and Islamic sharia has been imposed with
brutality since then, only you don't know about it. You are assuming
that at one point Islam made sense and now, it's been corrupted.
CAN YOU PROVE THIS BY ANY MEANS AT ALL?
I doubt you can because you see aziz, islam's WORD has been the same
then as now so to make such an assumption would require proof that the
texts and scriptures were wonderful and dandy at one point and someone
came and corrupted them or misinterpreted them. That is not the case.
These texts were not altered and thus, you are totally wrong in
assuming that there ever was anything in islam but the pile of shit you
see thse scum mohammedan sons of whores spew before the media each day.
So please, please, stop wtih the politically correct stuff will you? We
don't need to blow smoke up the ass of these motherwhoring mohammedans,
let's say it as it REALLY IS. I am tired of people trying to appease
and downplay what islam really is: a hatefilled, prejudiced and brutal
cult of rape, murder and theft.
Deev
2005-07-27 15:32:50 UTC
Permalink
Dumb Ass, today's Islam is all about Hate. Look at your own posts and the
posts of other Islamists in here alone.
Face the facts truth hurts, you will die trying to cure the symptom take
care of the disease.
Post by ªk½ü¤jªk¦n
HATE IS THE ENEMY (Not Islam)
Post by Deev
Sir doost gerami
I am glad you finally saw this, I was hoping someone would notice it.
My reason is simple, Islam today as practiced by the greater majority of its
adherents is full of crap and nothing but superstition, dogma and hypocrisy.
I agree with all your points 1, 2 and 3.
But my reason for making the comments I do and have done is different, I
think that a) It could not have sustained its growth unless it was divine in
nature, b) it could not maintain converts if it was unjust all the time and
did not help society and c) I give our ancestors credit for keeping the
faith in spite of the foreign nature that it did have.
In other words, we have been strong enough under various shah's to pull away
or convert back to Zoroastrianism or anything else for that matter, but did
not do so. So As a nation we kept it, with some trepidation, because we felt
a divinity in it.
Finally , if it was not divine in origin and inspiration, it could not have
built a civilization of equals that have left tremendous legacy or impact on
our world today. Every letter we type on the computer has the legacy of
Islam in it.
The Arabs with all their stupidity and ignorance can not pull up their own
pants, have always been dominated by Persians, Turks, Europeans . How is it
possible that they could have been able to sustain such a global impact on
the world unless it had some divine inspiration? Any way I look at it, to me
at least , I see that to be evident .
I also believe because it became corrupt, degenerated and became far removed
form its origin, Faggot Jahel is a perfect example of its present followers,
the holy wind that supported it stopped and it has fallen into an abyss of
darkness and people see it for what its followers are doing.
The apologetics keep trying to revive its former glory by interpreting its
verses, in such a way that it completely back fires when confronted with
comments like yours.
In closing, I do believe it was Devine in origin, I also believe it is
nothing today like it was previously when it made so many contributions to
civilization.( This does not mean by the way that all those who contributed
where in fact Arab, but rather they did infact believe the words of Mohammad
to be heavenly and nothing more.
Post by Sirknight67
Deev jan
several times you have posted responses that sort of surprised me,
coming from you. In a nutshell, you say that islam is no longer what it
was, that it is now corrupt, an dthat it was once good because people
accepted it.
You couldn't be further away from the truth. I am surprised that you, a
former muslim and now a practitioner of Bahaism would say something
like this. First of all, the fact tthat you converted out of Islam,
like I did, means that you obviously saw things wrong with it that did
not appeal to you and that you searched for something better (anything
is better in fact).
You assume that at some point, islam was something good because as you
put it, your coutnrymen are intelligent and they would not make a
choice if that choice didn't make sense. Once again, you are far from
the actual fact.
If you look at the history of the way islam was spread in Iran (then
1) Conversions by the sword an dby force, that started from Qom in the
7th cnetury, all the way to conversion by force of northern Yazdi
villages in the 19th century
2) Conversions of opportunism such as Saman Khoda, founder of the
Samanid dynasty who converted to thank his arab patron and governor of
Khorassan for helping him fight another fellow Zoroastrian persian and
take over his possessions and villages, or cases such as Mazyar Karen
who "converted" so to speak because he was dispossed of his lands by
Shahryar Bavand and unless he received aid from the Caliph in term so
ftroops and money, he would have been a homeless bum, like Pacifist.
Then there were the Buyid brothers hwose father converted to Islam in
order to secure a favorable position in the army and with the Caliph.
There were the "conversion" of traitors like a Sassanian elite unite
guard of Asavaran led by Syah, who didn't even know about islam or
koran and yet joined the arabs, demanded to be paid 2,500 Derham
(higher than arab warriors!), and be given the land of those enemies
they fought.
There was the "conversion" of Marzban Farrokhan who joined the arabs to
get thelands of the familly and nobles that opposed his accession to
power etc...
3) conversions for reasons of faith, being in the tiniest minority.
If islam had truly inspired the majoirty of Persians, it would not have
taken 3-4 centuries for the population of Persia to pass the 50%
mohammedan bar. Droves of Zoroastrians would have answered Salman Pars'
call to beocme mohammedan, which they did not, just like the millions
of soldiers, civilians, farmers etc...who accoridng to historical
records, opted to pay poll tax instead of converting.
Now if you did just a tiny bit of research instead of relying on the
goodwill of your fellow countrymen who are composed of a great numner
of opportunists and asshole followers and motherwhoring douche bags
that jump on any band wagon to serve their own interests and personal
ambitions, you would see that Islam was IMPOSED by force of arms on
Iran.
Now this decadence of islam that you claim took place...well look at
the koran and Hadiths. These are NOTHING NEW. They have been in palce
for at least 1,000 years and Islamic sharia has been imposed with
brutality since then, only you don't know about it. You are assuming
that at one point Islam made sense and now, it's been corrupted.
CAN YOU PROVE THIS BY ANY MEANS AT ALL?
I doubt you can because you see aziz, islam's WORD has been the same
then as now so to make such an assumption would require proof that the
texts and scriptures were wonderful and dandy at one point and someone
came and corrupted them or misinterpreted them. That is not the case.
These texts were not altered and thus, you are totally wrong in
assuming that there ever was anything in islam but the pile of shit you
see thse scum mohammedan sons of whores spew before the media each day.
So please, please, stop wtih the politically correct stuff will you? We
don't need to blow smoke up the ass of these motherwhoring mohammedans,
let's say it as it REALLY IS. I am tired of people trying to appease
and downplay what islam really is: a hatefilled, prejudiced and brutal
cult of rape, murder and theft.
MonsieurStat
2005-07-27 04:37:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Deev
Sir doost gerami
I am glad you finally saw this, I was hoping someone would notice it.
You talking about your keer?
Post by Deev
My reason is simple, Islam today as practiced by the greater majority of
its adherents is full of crap and nothing but superstition, dogma and
hypocrisy.
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
Sirknight67
2005-07-27 09:21:31 UTC
Permalink
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
Sirknight67
2005-07-27 14:46:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick to
Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under the
algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist, pro-feminist,
jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the hypiocrisy card with ata
turk? Blood clotting blocking you from enlightment, prince of darkness. ur
heart is full of it, the smell invading your brain is makind you think
ONE-WAY as your little demon is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know how many
times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to assassinate the
word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the religion of Islam. YOU
FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
Deev
2005-07-27 15:42:50 UTC
Permalink
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute and as
far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick to
Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under the
algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist, pro-feminist,
jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the hypiocrisy card with
ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from enlightment, prince of
darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell invading your brain is makind
you think ONE-WAY as your little demon is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know how
many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the religion
of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
Sirknight67
2005-07-27 15:47:54 UTC
Permalink
Deep inside you, u're still a muslim else you won't acknowledge there is a
divinity linked to ISLAM.
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute and as
far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick to
Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under the
algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist, pro-feminist,
jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the hypiocrisy card with
ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from enlightment, prince of
darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell invading your brain is makind
you think ONE-WAY as your little demon is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know how
many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the religion
of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
Deev
2005-07-27 22:31:22 UTC
Permalink
As a Bahai, I am a Moslem as much as I am a Christian or Jew .
Post by Sirknight67
Deep inside you, u're still a muslim else you won't acknowledge there is a
divinity linked to ISLAM.
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute and as
far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick to
Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under the
algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist, pro-feminist,
jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the hypiocrisy card with
ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from enlightment, prince of
darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell invading your brain is
makind you think ONE-WAY as your little demon is dictating you like a
marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know how
many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the
religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
RBRK
2005-07-27 23:31:23 UTC
Permalink
Not Devinity but Devility. You Devil worshiper know exactly what I mean.

Mohammad is keeping the fire of hell hot for you guys.
Do you know what his punishment is on friday nights?
God gave ayesha a long fat dick to really give it to Moe on Friday
nights. heehee
Post by Sirknight67
Deep inside you, u're still a muslim else you won't acknowledge there
is a divinity linked to ISLAM.
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute
and as far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you
represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had
nothing to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your
whore mom to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick
to Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules?
Under the algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist,
pro-feminist, jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the
hypiocrisy card with ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from
enlightment, prince of darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell
invading your brain is makind you think ONE-WAY as your little demon
is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know
how many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the
religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
MonsieurStat
2005-07-28 01:21:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by RBRK
Not Devinity but Devility. You Devil worshiper know exactly what I mean.
Mohammad is keeping the fire of hell hot for you guys.
Do you know what his punishment is on friday nights?
God gave ayesha a long fat dick to really give it to Moe on Friday
nights. heehee
neesheto beband aldang ;-)
You truely are a model of Apozision to the "regime". With this much insight
and depth, I don't know why you're still keer bedast. Are you saving
yourself for Moe???
Stat.
Post by RBRK
Post by Sirknight67
Deep inside you, u're still a muslim else you won't acknowledge there
is a divinity linked to ISLAM.
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute
and as far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you
represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had
nothing to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your
whore mom to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick
to Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules?
Under the algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist,
pro-feminist, jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the
hypiocrisy card with ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from
enlightment, prince of darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell
invading your brain is makind you think ONE-WAY as your little demon
is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know
how many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the
religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
RBRK
2005-07-28 02:31:42 UTC
Permalink
No. I always tell my dog to use his keer for mothers & sisters of arab
loosers like you.
Mine is reserved only for the special ocasion of fucking Khamenei,
rafsanjani, khatami and antari nejad. heehee
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by RBRK
Not Devinity but Devility. You Devil worshiper know exactly what I mean.
Mohammad is keeping the fire of hell hot for you guys.
Do you know what his punishment is on friday nights?
God gave ayesha a long fat dick to really give it to Moe on Friday
nights. heehee
neesheto beband aldang ;-)
You truely are a model of Apozision to the "regime". With this much
insight and depth, I don't know why you're still keer bedast. Are you
saving yourself for Moe???
Stat.
Post by RBRK
Post by Sirknight67
Deep inside you, u're still a muslim else you won't acknowledge
there is a divinity linked to ISLAM.
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute
and as far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you
represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH,
you will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR
JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had
nothing to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell
your whore mom to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still
stick to Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak
rules? Under the algerian Junta? Under a life-time president
secularist, pro-feminist, jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least
played the hypiocrisy card with ata turk? Blood clotting blocking
you from enlightment, prince of darkness. ur heart is full of it,
the smell invading your brain is makind you think ONE-WAY as your
little demon is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know
how many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried
to assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from
the religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
Sirknight67
2005-07-27 17:31:50 UTC
Permalink
Like or not Deev, u're still my brother.
BTW, my answer to you to the question you asked to Mr Stat is that there is
one Islam. We'are all brothers. For your pleasure, I'm sunni and Shi'a are
my brothers. These divisions play well for the ennemies of Islam. Islam is
ONE, Qur'an is ONE, and Allah is ONE. Yourself, Mr Stat and my humble soul
are all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) said one day while looking at Bilal (R):"Bilal is one of
us". Bilal (R) was a habashi (Ethiopian Black). Then the prophet (asws)
looked at Suhaib Errumi from Byzance and he said:" Suhaib is one of us".
Lastly he looked at Selman the persian, war strategist, behind the victory
of ghazwat el'khunduq, and he said :"Suhaib is from us". Black, romans,
persians, arabs were all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) also said that there is difference in status between an arab
and a non-arab except by PIETY.
He also said:" You'll listen and obey even if your leader is a black from
Ethiopia".
But the all beauty of Islam comes here. When it came to Muhammad's uncle,
this what the Qur'an said about him:
111. The Flame (Al-Lahab)

Revealed before the Hijrah. This chapter has 5 verses.

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

1. Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!

2. No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!

3. Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!

4. His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - as fuel!-

5. A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!



IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.

All the above shows the universality of Islam. This is not an arab religion,
it is a MANKIND RELIGION. Meant to gather people from all quarter of the
world to live in peace and brotherhood.

If you want more, look for Malcolm X speech from Mecca. Malcolm expressed
his deep feelings about Islam:

here is an excerpt:

"I have eaten from the same plate,
drunk from the same glass while
praying to the same God with fellow
Muslims whose eyes were the bluest
of blue, whose hair was the blondest
of blond, and whose skin was the whitest
of white. And in the words and in the
actions and in the deeds of the 'white'
Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that
I felt among the black African Muslims
of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."


Malcolm X
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute and as
far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick to
Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under the
algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist, pro-feminist,
jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the hypiocrisy card with
ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from enlightment, prince of
darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell invading your brain is makind
you think ONE-WAY as your little demon is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know how
many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the religion
of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
sirknight67
2005-07-27 20:03:26 UTC
Permalink
AND LIKE IT OR NOT JEW-WAD FERRET, YOU ARE STILL MY BITCH
Deev
2005-07-27 22:37:20 UTC
Permalink
My answer to you is that a Moslems, means one who submissive to the will of
God. In that sense everyone is Moslem.
This idea of universality or equality in Islam is the real reason many
people embraced Islam in Iran and other places.

What foolish people like you have done is used that verse to separate
themselves from others saying that they are better and different. This is
the exact same thing that Jews say when they say they are Gods Chosen. The
exact same crap.
Post by Sirknight67
Like or not Deev, u're still my brother.
BTW, my answer to you to the question you asked to Mr Stat is that there
is one Islam. We'are all brothers. For your pleasure, I'm sunni and Shi'a
are my brothers. These divisions play well for the ennemies of Islam.
Islam is ONE, Qur'an is ONE, and Allah is ONE. Yourself, Mr Stat and my
humble soul are all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) said one day while looking at Bilal (R):"Bilal is one of
us". Bilal (R) was a habashi (Ethiopian Black). Then the prophet (asws)
looked at Suhaib Errumi from Byzance and he said:" Suhaib is one of us".
Lastly he looked at Selman the persian, war strategist, behind the victory
of ghazwat el'khunduq, and he said :"Suhaib is from us". Black, romans,
persians, arabs were all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) also said that there is difference in status between an
arab and a non-arab except by PIETY.
He also said:" You'll listen and obey even if your leader is a black from
Ethiopia".
But the all beauty of Islam comes here. When it came to Muhammad's uncle,
111. The Flame (Al-Lahab)
Revealed before the Hijrah. This chapter has 5 verses.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!
2. No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
3. Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
4. His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - as fuel!-
5. A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!
IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
All the above shows the universality of Islam. This is not an arab
religion, it is a MANKIND RELIGION. Meant to gather people from all
quarter of the world to live in peace and brotherhood.
If you want more, look for Malcolm X speech from Mecca. Malcolm expressed
"I have eaten from the same plate,
drunk from the same glass while
praying to the same God with fellow
Muslims whose eyes were the bluest
of blue, whose hair was the blondest
of blond, and whose skin was the whitest
of white. And in the words and in the
actions and in the deeds of the 'white'
Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that
I felt among the black African Muslims
of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."
Malcolm X
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute and as
far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick to
Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under the
algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist, pro-feminist,
jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the hypiocrisy card with
ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from enlightment, prince of
darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell invading your brain is
makind you think ONE-WAY as your little demon is dictating you like a
marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know how
many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the
religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
MonsieurStat
2005-07-28 00:58:22 UTC
Permalink
The best demonstration of true Islamic fraternity is the annual Haj in
Mecca. People from all races and walks of life gather in a single place in a
spirit of brotherhood not witnessed anywhere else. It is this same spirit of
brotherhood in Islam that dispels all these issues of color, race, etc.
among Muslims. Do we have a racist attitude towards Iranians with black skin
or blue eyes? No. Do we have a racist attitude towards the many different
Iranian races? No. Why? Because Iran is a Muslim country who has raised
itself above these superficial issues. The West has a long way to go before
getting caught up to Muslim countries in these respects.
Stat.
Post by Deev
My answer to you is that a Moslems, means one who submissive to the will
of God. In that sense everyone is Moslem.
This idea of universality or equality in Islam is the real reason many
people embraced Islam in Iran and other places.
What foolish people like you have done is used that verse to separate
themselves from others saying that they are better and different. This is
the exact same thing that Jews say when they say they are Gods Chosen. The
exact same crap.
Post by Sirknight67
Like or not Deev, u're still my brother.
BTW, my answer to you to the question you asked to Mr Stat is that there
is one Islam. We'are all brothers. For your pleasure, I'm sunni and Shi'a
are my brothers. These divisions play well for the ennemies of Islam.
Islam is ONE, Qur'an is ONE, and Allah is ONE. Yourself, Mr Stat and my
humble soul are all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) said one day while looking at Bilal (R):"Bilal is one of
us". Bilal (R) was a habashi (Ethiopian Black). Then the prophet (asws)
looked at Suhaib Errumi from Byzance and he said:" Suhaib is one of us".
Lastly he looked at Selman the persian, war strategist, behind the
victory of ghazwat el'khunduq, and he said :"Suhaib is from us". Black,
romans, persians, arabs were all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) also said that there is difference in status between an
arab and a non-arab except by PIETY.
He also said:" You'll listen and obey even if your leader is a black from
Ethiopia".
But the all beauty of Islam comes here. When it came to Muhammad's uncle,
111. The Flame (Al-Lahab)
Revealed before the Hijrah. This chapter has 5 verses.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!
2. No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
3. Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
4. His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - as fuel!-
5. A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!
IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
All the above shows the universality of Islam. This is not an arab
religion, it is a MANKIND RELIGION. Meant to gather people from all
quarter of the world to live in peace and brotherhood.
If you want more, look for Malcolm X speech from Mecca. Malcolm expressed
"I have eaten from the same plate,
drunk from the same glass while
praying to the same God with fellow
Muslims whose eyes were the bluest
of blue, whose hair was the blondest
of blond, and whose skin was the whitest
of white. And in the words and in the
actions and in the deeds of the 'white'
Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that
I felt among the black African Muslims
of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."
Malcolm X
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute and
as far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick to
Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under the
algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist, pro-feminist,
jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the hypiocrisy card
with ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from enlightment, prince of
darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell invading your brain is
makind you think ONE-WAY as your little demon is dictating you like a
marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know how
many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the
religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
RBRK
2005-07-28 02:33:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by MonsieurStat
The best demonstration of true Islamic fraternity is the annual Haj in
Mecca.
Kos'e zan o naney har chee arab haroom zaadeh dayous mesl toe.
Keer'e sagam tou dahan har chee Haji
Deev
2005-07-28 02:43:50 UTC
Permalink
I see, so we use the jokes on Turks and Rashti's and ISfahani's and Sag Jews
and najes this and that as all Islamic qualities in Iran??
I think you have your answer. Wake up.
Post by MonsieurStat
The best demonstration of true Islamic fraternity is the annual Haj in
Mecca. People from all races and walks of life gather in a single place in
a spirit of brotherhood not witnessed anywhere else. It is this same
spirit of brotherhood in Islam that dispels all these issues of color,
race, etc. among Muslims. Do we have a racist attitude towards Iranians
with black skin or blue eyes? No. Do we have a racist attitude towards the
many different Iranian races? No. Why? Because Iran is a Muslim country
who has raised itself above these superficial issues. The West has a long
way to go before getting caught up to Muslim countries in these respects.
Stat.
Post by Deev
My answer to you is that a Moslems, means one who submissive to the will
of God. In that sense everyone is Moslem.
This idea of universality or equality in Islam is the real reason many
people embraced Islam in Iran and other places.
What foolish people like you have done is used that verse to separate
themselves from others saying that they are better and different. This is
the exact same thing that Jews say when they say they are Gods Chosen.
The exact same crap.
Post by Sirknight67
Like or not Deev, u're still my brother.
BTW, my answer to you to the question you asked to Mr Stat is that there
is one Islam. We'are all brothers. For your pleasure, I'm sunni and
Shi'a are my brothers. These divisions play well for the ennemies of
Islam. Islam is ONE, Qur'an is ONE, and Allah is ONE. Yourself, Mr Stat
and my humble soul are all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) said one day while looking at Bilal (R):"Bilal is one of
us". Bilal (R) was a habashi (Ethiopian Black). Then the prophet (asws)
looked at Suhaib Errumi from Byzance and he said:" Suhaib is one of us".
Lastly he looked at Selman the persian, war strategist, behind the
victory of ghazwat el'khunduq, and he said :"Suhaib is from us". Black,
romans, persians, arabs were all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) also said that there is difference in status between an
arab and a non-arab except by PIETY.
He also said:" You'll listen and obey even if your leader is a black
from Ethiopia".
But the all beauty of Islam comes here. When it came to Muhammad's
111. The Flame (Al-Lahab)
Revealed before the Hijrah. This chapter has 5 verses.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!
2. No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
3. Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
4. His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - as fuel!-
5. A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!
IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
All the above shows the universality of Islam. This is not an arab
religion, it is a MANKIND RELIGION. Meant to gather people from all
quarter of the world to live in peace and brotherhood.
If you want more, look for Malcolm X speech from Mecca. Malcolm
"I have eaten from the same plate,
drunk from the same glass while
praying to the same God with fellow
Muslims whose eyes were the bluest
of blue, whose hair was the blondest
of blond, and whose skin was the whitest
of white. And in the words and in the
actions and in the deeds of the 'white'
Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that
I felt among the black African Muslims
of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."
Malcolm X
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute and
as far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick
to Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under
the algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist,
pro-feminist, jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the
hypiocrisy card with ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from
enlightment, prince of darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell
invading your brain is makind you think ONE-WAY as your little demon
is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know how
many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the
religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
MonsieurStat
2005-07-28 04:28:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Deev
I see, so we use the jokes on Turks and Rashti's and ISfahani's and Sag
Jews and najes this and that as all Islamic qualities in Iran??
I think you have your answer. Wake up.
Jokes!!! (which FYI were mostly created and propagated by the British of the
19th century in an attempt to create divisions in our society. But that's
another story)
Despite these jokes, do you know of any Rashtis who were refused a job
because they were rashtis? Do you have any examples of Turks being refused
membership to a club because they were Turks? Have you ever seen a sign in a
restaurant saying "No Jews Allowed"? Do our prisons have a disproportionate
population of any minorities, or najes? No, we don't. Our "racism", if you
want to call it that, is mainly limited to some jokes, some superstitions,
and other superficial things like that. Personally, I never even understood
the meaning of the word racism (nejAd parasti) until I came to the West. I
look at Iranians coming to the West now, and for the first few years they
don't fully understand this word either (and it's not because their English
is weak).
Stat.
Post by Deev
Post by MonsieurStat
The best demonstration of true Islamic fraternity is the annual Haj in
Mecca. People from all races and walks of life gather in a single place
in a spirit of brotherhood not witnessed anywhere else. It is this same
spirit of brotherhood in Islam that dispels all these issues of color,
race, etc. among Muslims. Do we have a racist attitude towards Iranians
with black skin or blue eyes? No. Do we have a racist attitude towards
the many different Iranian races? No. Why? Because Iran is a Muslim
country who has raised itself above these superficial issues. The West
has a long way to go before getting caught up to Muslim countries in
these respects.
Stat.
Post by Deev
My answer to you is that a Moslems, means one who submissive to the will
of God. In that sense everyone is Moslem.
This idea of universality or equality in Islam is the real reason many
people embraced Islam in Iran and other places.
What foolish people like you have done is used that verse to separate
themselves from others saying that they are better and different. This
is the exact same thing that Jews say when they say they are Gods
Chosen. The exact same crap.
Post by Sirknight67
Like or not Deev, u're still my brother.
BTW, my answer to you to the question you asked to Mr Stat is that
there is one Islam. We'are all brothers. For your pleasure, I'm sunni
and Shi'a are my brothers. These divisions play well for the ennemies
of Islam. Islam is ONE, Qur'an is ONE, and Allah is ONE. Yourself, Mr
Stat and my humble soul are all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) said one day while looking at Bilal (R):"Bilal is one
of us". Bilal (R) was a habashi (Ethiopian Black). Then the prophet
(asws) looked at Suhaib Errumi from Byzance and he said:" Suhaib is one
of us". Lastly he looked at Selman the persian, war strategist, behind
the victory of ghazwat el'khunduq, and he said :"Suhaib is from us".
Black, romans, persians, arabs were all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) also said that there is difference in status between an
arab and a non-arab except by PIETY.
He also said:" You'll listen and obey even if your leader is a black
from Ethiopia".
But the all beauty of Islam comes here. When it came to Muhammad's
111. The Flame (Al-Lahab)
Revealed before the Hijrah. This chapter has 5 verses.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!
2. No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
3. Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
4. His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - as fuel!-
5. A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!
IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
All the above shows the universality of Islam. This is not an arab
religion, it is a MANKIND RELIGION. Meant to gather people from all
quarter of the world to live in peace and brotherhood.
If you want more, look for Malcolm X speech from Mecca. Malcolm
"I have eaten from the same plate,
drunk from the same glass while
praying to the same God with fellow
Muslims whose eyes were the bluest
of blue, whose hair was the blondest
of blond, and whose skin was the whitest
of white. And in the words and in the
actions and in the deeds of the 'white'
Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that
I felt among the black African Muslims
of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."
Malcolm X
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute and
as far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick
to Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under
the algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist,
pro-feminist, jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the
hypiocrisy card with ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from
enlightment, prince of darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell
invading your brain is makind you think ONE-WAY as your little demon
is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know
how many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the
religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
mandela
2005-07-28 05:14:23 UTC
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Personally, I never even understood the meaning of the word racism (nejAd parasti) until I came
to the West. I look at Iranians coming to the West now, and for the first few years they don't
fully understand this word either (and it's not because their English is weak).
Stat.
excellent point... again here we can point out to the west that Iran was and is the first and
only true " melting pot " and they would take heed to use us as an example of what to do / not
to do in order to stem this so called terrorism that they so readily blame Iran for.

offcourse in time they will learn that this behaviour stem from the injustice in their own
society more so than in Iran but until than we all have to work hard to try and explain to them
one by one so they get the point
sirknight67
2005-07-28 05:30:40 UTC
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Interesting..let's see if you can explain your view of Iran being a
"melting pot" to the likes of Pacifist who believes all Iranian Jews
should be kicked out and how they are all traitors to a land that has
bene theirs for 2500 years, or to the likes of the newsgroup Idiot
Alborz who says "fuck all Christians", insults Bahais constantly, not
to mention Zoroastirans and especially jews. Ask him to accept your
notion of the "melting pot" when it comes to recognizing Jews and
Bahais as Iranians, not like he expressed so many times over the years,
that he wanted to turn Iran into an ALL SHIITE muslim coutnry. let's
see if that works.
mandela
2005-07-28 06:09:40 UTC
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i am not here to change what people believe at any given time, but i am here to try to push them
towards a more enlightened view, which will hopefully change what they think.. i have from time
to time chastised pacific and alborz, and they will tell you that i have... i have not been here
for some months and don't know what they are saying these days but i am sure when it comes to
YOU it is well justified... if you are upset at this perhaps you can look at your own post...
how do you expect credibility and respect when you insult what others believe in, be they wrong
or right.. who are you to insult them for their beliefs? you are so twisted that you don't see
it so let me point it out
Shiaa is the the way to spell it... there is no T neither in Arabic, nor in Persian.. if it is
to be spelt with a T most normal people spell it in similar words like Shi'it or Shia'at or
Shiites... so you just keep snickering in the back like the little boy that you still are with
your great wit that has managed to destroy Islam and change the world by writing SHIT and
offending people's personal beliefs , you have us all dumb founded with your skils as a
wordsmith!!! we bow to your magnificence
Post by sirknight67
Interesting..let's see if you can explain your view of Iran being a
"melting pot" to the likes of Pacifist who believes all Iranian Jews
should be kicked out and how they are all traitors to a land that has
bene theirs for 2500 years, or to the likes of the newsgroup Idiot
Alborz who says "fuck all Christians", insults Bahais constantly, not
to mention Zoroastirans and especially jews. Ask him to accept your
notion of the "melting pot" when it comes to recognizing Jews and
Bahais as Iranians, not like he expressed so many times over the years,
that he wanted to turn Iran into an ALL SHIITE muslim coutnry. let's
see if that works.
Deev
2005-07-28 06:20:42 UTC
Permalink
Sir, I like this point or for that fact the likes of Ebadi, who is related
tome, we shared the same great grandfather, and when she came to Vancouver
did not want to be seen with me but saw my other cousin.I can only think th
ereason she did not want to see me was becasue I had become a Bahai..



Zoroastrians who attack Islam?
Post by sirknight67
Interesting..let's see if you can explain your view of Iran being a
"melting pot" to the likes of Pacifist who believes all Iranian Jews
should be kicked out and how they are all traitors to a land that has
bene theirs for 2500 years, or to the likes of the newsgroup Idiot
Alborz who says "fuck all Christians", insults Bahais constantly, not
to mention Zoroastirans and especially jews. Ask him to accept your
notion of the "melting pot" when it comes to recognizing Jews and
Bahais as Iranians, not like he expressed so many times over the years,
that he wanted to turn Iran into an ALL SHIITE muslim coutnry. let's
see if that works.
mash_ghasem
2005-08-07 02:37:34 UTC
Permalink
You really don't like the west! then what is keeping you here?
Post by mandela
Personally, I never even understood the meaning of the word racism (nejAd parasti) until I came
to the West. I look at Iranians coming to the West now, and for the first few years they don't
fully understand this word either (and it's not because their English is weak).
Stat.
excellent point... again here we can point out to the west that Iran was and is the first and
only true " melting pot " and they would take heed to use us as an example of what to do / not
to do in order to stem this so called terrorism that they so readily blame Iran for.
offcourse in time they will learn that this behaviour stem from the injustice in their own
society more so than in Iran but until than we all have to work hard to try and explain to them
one by one so they get the point
mandela
2005-08-07 03:14:24 UTC
Permalink
ghasemi.. unlike you i hold three passports, EU, AUS and last but not least Iranian. i spend my
time in all parts of the world and do what i feel is right for the whole planet, though my steps
are small and seemingly insignificant.

i am proud of the rights and privileges bestowed on me by birth and am proud to use Iran as an
example, because it can be. trust me if i thought the Iranian history and affairs had no value
to impart on the western system i would not defend it. nor do you see me promote the negative
things from that system.

what about you? you are comfortable in your new country.. why do you persist on propagating hate
towards other people with the aid of your online buddies; instead of promoting your own western
values and those of the nation you have chosen by immigration? in fact do you really have any
values? or do you just past your time by spin doctoring words to suit your a hidden agenda?
have you ever declared your agenda? if not why not? why don't you? and why don't you defend it?
Post by mash_ghasem
You really don't like the west! then what is keeping you here?
Post by mandela
Personally, I never even understood the meaning of the word racism (nejAd parasti) until I
came
to the West. I look at Iranians coming to the West now, and for the first few years they
don't
fully understand this word either (and it's not because their English is weak).
Stat.
excellent point... again here we can point out to the west that Iran was and is the first and
only true " melting pot " and they would take heed to use us as an example of what to do /
not
to do in order to stem this so called terrorism that they so readily blame Iran for.
offcourse in time they will learn that this behaviour stem from the injustice in their own
society more so than in Iran but until than we all have to work hard to try and explain to
them
one by one so they get the point
MonsieurStat
2005-08-08 03:40:53 UTC
Permalink
AghA mandela, I guess we can say that you are a world citizen and a
humanist. I am the same. We all live in one world and beyond borders and
passports, we are all interrelated and interdependent just like a big
family. Fortunately for you and me who know the value of our heritage, we
can look at this big family from an advantageous stand point that provides
us with tools to make a difference, be it small or big. Please continue your
contributions to SCI. I very much enjoy reading your often thought provoking
messages. And PLEASE do not allow SCI pests get under your skin (though I
have to say I am sometimes impressed by your pest control techniques - very
efficient!). Remember, we're all a big family and it is your job and mine to
try to educate them to the best of our abilities.
Regards,
Stat.
Post by mandela
ghasemi.. unlike you i hold three passports, EU, AUS and last but not
least Iranian. i spend my time in all parts of the world and do what i
feel is right for the whole planet, though my steps are small and
seemingly insignificant.
i am proud of the rights and privileges bestowed on me by birth and am
proud to use Iran as an example, because it can be. trust me if i thought
the Iranian history and affairs had no value to impart on the western
system i would not defend it. nor do you see me promote the negative
things from that system.
what about you? you are comfortable in your new country.. why do you
persist on propagating hate towards other people with the aid of your
online buddies; instead of promoting your own western values and those of
the nation you have chosen by immigration? in fact do you really have any
values? or do you just past your time by spin doctoring words to suit your a hidden agenda?
have you ever declared your agenda? if not why not? why don't you? and why
don't you defend it?
Post by mash_ghasem
You really don't like the west! then what is keeping you here?
Post by mandela
Personally, I never even understood the meaning of the word racism
(nejAd parasti) until I came
to the West. I look at Iranians coming to the West now, and for the
first few years they don't
fully understand this word either (and it's not because their English is weak).
Stat.
excellent point... again here we can point out to the west that Iran was
and is the first and
only true " melting pot " and they would take heed to use us as an
example of what to do / not
to do in order to stem this so called terrorism that they so readily blame Iran for.
offcourse in time they will learn that this behaviour stem from the
injustice in their own
society more so than in Iran but until than we all have to work hard to
try and explain to them
one by one so they get the point
mandela
2005-08-08 04:17:03 UTC
Permalink
thanks stat..

i am glad they mean something to you and i hope that they cause some change in others. i will
from time to time impart my views but i can not claim to be a philosopher or an academic type..
i merely write my opinion and hope that when i am wrong someone will point it out to me instead
of calling me a hezbolahi, bahai even mojahed! or such other labels as they have.

as for education, i agree with you, it is the job of those who know to teach the ones that
dont... after all didnt mulla nasruldin tell the gathering that same thing? ;)

Preaching
Mulla preached on fridays at the village mosque. One day having nothing to preach about sitting
on the minbar he asked the congregation:

"Do you know the subject I am going to discuss today ?"

"No" said the people

"Then I refuse to preach to such an ignorant assembly. How could you not know given the events
of the past week ?" asked mulla and left hurriedly.

Next friday he went up the minbar and asked:

"Do you know the subject of my sermon today ?"

People fearing a repetition of what had taken place a week before nodded and said:

"Yes yes, indeed we know"

"Well then. There is no point in telling you what you already know" said mulla and left.

On the third friday he ascended the minbar and asked:

"Do you know what I am going to speak about today ?"

Not knowing what to say some said yes and some said no.

"Then those who know can tell those who don't" said mulla and left.
AghA mandela, I guess we can say that you are a world citizen and a humanist. I am the same.
We all live in one world and beyond borders and passports, we are all interrelated and
interdependent just like a big family. Fortunately for you and me who know the value of our
heritage, we can look at this big family from an advantageous stand point that provides us
with tools to make a difference, be it small or big. Please continue your contributions to
SCI. I very much enjoy reading your often thought provoking messages. And PLEASE do not allow
SCI pests get under your skin (though I have to say I am sometimes impressed by your pest
control techniques - very efficient!). Remember, we're all a big family and it is your job and
mine to try to educate them to the best of our abilities.
Regards,
Stat.
Post by mandela
ghasemi.. unlike you i hold three passports, EU, AUS and last but not least Iranian. i spend
my time in all parts of the world and do what i feel is right for the whole planet, though my
steps are small and seemingly insignificant.
i am proud of the rights and privileges bestowed on me by birth and am proud to use Iran as
an example, because it can be. trust me if i thought the Iranian history and affairs had no
value to impart on the western system i would not defend it. nor do you see me promote the
negative things from that system.
what about you? you are comfortable in your new country.. why do you persist on propagating
hate towards other people with the aid of your online buddies; instead of promoting your own
western values and those of the nation you have chosen by immigration? in fact do you really
have any values? or do you just past your time by spin doctoring words to suit your a hidden
agenda?
have you ever declared your agenda? if not why not? why don't you? and why don't you defend
it?
Post by mash_ghasem
You really don't like the west! then what is keeping you here?
Post by mandela
Personally, I never even understood the meaning of the word racism (nejAd parasti) until I
came
to the West. I look at Iranians coming to the West now, and for the first few years they
don't
fully understand this word either (and it's not because their English is weak).
Stat.
excellent point... again here we can point out to the west that Iran was and is the first
and
only true " melting pot " and they would take heed to use us as an example of what to do /
not
to do in order to stem this so called terrorism that they so readily blame Iran for.
offcourse in time they will learn that this behaviour stem from the injustice in their own
society more so than in Iran but until than we all have to work hard to try and explain to
them
one by one so they get the point
SIRKNIGHT67_shits_on_mo-ham-MAD
2005-08-08 05:12:37 UTC
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keeram to koone oon "familly't"

heheheheh

now sing after me "we are familly..." hehehe
mandela
2005-08-08 05:34:49 UTC
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ay be sho'or vaghe'an toohin be khare ke be to began khar! you lunatic
Post by SIRKNIGHT67_shits_on_mo-ham-MAD
keeram to koone oon "familly't"
heheheheh
now sing after me "we are familly..." hehehe
MonsieurStat
2005-08-08 05:49:23 UTC
Permalink
Indeed. That's why I usually call him GOH.
Stat.
Post by mandela
ay be sho'or vaghe'an toohin be khare ke be to began khar! you lunatic
Post by SIRKNIGHT67_shits_on_mo-ham-MAD
keeram to koone oon "familly't"
heheheheh
now sing after me "we are familly..." hehehe
mandela
2005-08-08 06:06:47 UTC
Permalink
:)
Post by MonsieurStat
Indeed. That's why I usually call him GOH.
Stat.
Post by mandela
ay be sho'or vaghe'an toohin be khare ke be to began khar! you lunatic
Post by SIRKNIGHT67_shits_on_mo-ham-MAD
keeram to koone oon "familly't"
heheheheh
now sing after me "we are familly..." hehehe
SIRKNIGHT67_shits_on_mo-ham-MAD
2005-08-08 13:35:26 UTC
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Sendeh

no one would ever confuse you for a Khar, which is a useful animal. You
are just a pile of shit of no use to anyone, except maybe for grass of
the backyard of the whorehouse that you help keep green

you piece of shit you
garbage snipped
mandela
2005-08-08 23:32:33 UTC
Permalink
alas, you are not only a hypocrite and two faced schizo in the publics view, you also
selectively forget... than again i know the only reason i reply to you is to keep an open
lifeline for you and the only reason you reply to me is to va;lidate your own sadomasochist need
for other to abuse you i don't know the term exactly but you know what i mean the peol;e who
enjoy getting trashed by their masters.. you are a barde sefat of the worst kind.
you are a lunatic to boot
Post by SIRKNIGHT67_shits_on_mo-ham-MAD
Sendeh
no one would ever confuse you for a Khar, which is a useful animal. You
are just a pile of shit of no use to anyone, except maybe for grass of
the backyard of the whorehouse that you help keep green
you piece of shit you
garbage snipped
SIRKNIGHT67_shits_on_mo-ham-MAD
2005-08-09 18:34:25 UTC
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Alas

you're the same DOUCHE BAG you always were and the only reason I
respond to you is because like all muslim pigs you love to be shit on
and I will do you the honor of eating my shit you filthy MOHAMMEDAN SON
OF A WHORE.

Haftkhat knows you best and treats you like the filthy animal you are
mandela
2005-08-10 00:11:24 UTC
Permalink
cant you saying anything original beside repeating my points ?
be your self once in your life instead of this imaginary man that lives in the mind of the
little boy which exists in the thick ape-brain of yours.
Post by SIRKNIGHT67_shits_on_mo-ham-MAD
Alas
you're the same DOUCHE BAG you always were and the only reason I
respond to you is because like all muslim pigs you love to be shit on
and I will do you the honor of eating my shit you filthy MOHAMMEDAN SON
OF A WHORE.
Haftkhat knows you best and treats you like the filthy animal you are
Deev
2005-07-28 06:17:57 UTC
Permalink
The whole point that you made is jus the character flaw in Iranian society.
We don't say what we mean.

We tarof, and havea double face. We dont see the sign, but watch out, as
soon as they are out of the room, we say did you see that Ghoromsagh???

He was a ....
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
I see, so we use the jokes on Turks and Rashti's and ISfahani's and Sag
Jews and najes this and that as all Islamic qualities in Iran??
I think you have your answer. Wake up.
Jokes!!! (which FYI were mostly created and propagated by the British of
the 19th century in an attempt to create divisions in our society. But
that's another story)
Despite these jokes, do you know of any Rashtis who were refused a job
because they were rashtis? Do you have any examples of Turks being refused
membership to a club because they were Turks? Have you ever seen a sign in
a restaurant saying "No Jews Allowed"? Do our prisons have a
disproportionate population of any minorities, or najes? No, we don't. Our
"racism", if you want to call it that, is mainly limited to some jokes,
some superstitions, and other superficial things like that. Personally, I
never even understood the meaning of the word racism (nejAd parasti) until
I came to the West. I look at Iranians coming to the West now, and for the
first few years they don't fully understand this word either (and it's not
because their English is weak).
Stat.
Post by Deev
Post by MonsieurStat
The best demonstration of true Islamic fraternity is the annual Haj in
Mecca. People from all races and walks of life gather in a single place
in a spirit of brotherhood not witnessed anywhere else. It is this same
spirit of brotherhood in Islam that dispels all these issues of color,
race, etc. among Muslims. Do we have a racist attitude towards Iranians
with black skin or blue eyes? No. Do we have a racist attitude towards
the many different Iranian races? No. Why? Because Iran is a Muslim
country who has raised itself above these superficial issues. The West
has a long way to go before getting caught up to Muslim countries in
these respects.
Stat.
Post by Deev
My answer to you is that a Moslems, means one who submissive to the
will of God. In that sense everyone is Moslem.
This idea of universality or equality in Islam is the real reason many
people embraced Islam in Iran and other places.
What foolish people like you have done is used that verse to separate
themselves from others saying that they are better and different. This
is the exact same thing that Jews say when they say they are Gods
Chosen. The exact same crap.
Post by Sirknight67
Like or not Deev, u're still my brother.
BTW, my answer to you to the question you asked to Mr Stat is that
there is one Islam. We'are all brothers. For your pleasure, I'm sunni
and Shi'a are my brothers. These divisions play well for the ennemies
of Islam. Islam is ONE, Qur'an is ONE, and Allah is ONE. Yourself, Mr
Stat and my humble soul are all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) said one day while looking at Bilal (R):"Bilal is one
of us". Bilal (R) was a habashi (Ethiopian Black). Then the prophet
(asws) looked at Suhaib Errumi from Byzance and he said:" Suhaib is
one of us". Lastly he looked at Selman the persian, war strategist,
behind the victory of ghazwat el'khunduq, and he said :"Suhaib is from
us". Black, romans, persians, arabs were all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) also said that there is difference in status between
an arab and a non-arab except by PIETY.
He also said:" You'll listen and obey even if your leader is a black
from Ethiopia".
But the all beauty of Islam comes here. When it came to Muhammad's
111. The Flame (Al-Lahab)
Revealed before the Hijrah. This chapter has 5 verses.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!
2. No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
3. Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
4. His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - as fuel!-
5. A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!
IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
All the above shows the universality of Islam. This is not an arab
religion, it is a MANKIND RELIGION. Meant to gather people from all
quarter of the world to live in peace and brotherhood.
If you want more, look for Malcolm X speech from Mecca. Malcolm
"I have eaten from the same plate,
drunk from the same glass while
praying to the same God with fellow
Muslims whose eyes were the bluest
of blue, whose hair was the blondest
of blond, and whose skin was the whitest
of white. And in the words and in the
actions and in the deeds of the 'white'
Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that
I felt among the black African Muslims
of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."
Malcolm X
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute
and as far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you
represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth.
If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick
to Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules?
Under the algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist,
pro-feminist, jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the
hypiocrisy card with ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from
enlightment, prince of darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell
invading your brain is makind you think ONE-WAY as your little demon
is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know
how many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the
religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
mandela
2005-07-28 06:39:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Deev
The whole point that you made is jus the character flaw in Iranian society.
We don't say what we mean.
We tarof, and havea double face. We dont see the sign, but watch out, as soon as they are out
of the room, we say did you see that Ghoromsagh???
He was a ....
how true that is... i think it stems from the very closely nit family system in iran.. more so
than most other countries... perhaps the need to do "gheibat" (ie talk behind peoples back and
have a double face) in iran is due to that.. an area that i have to think about but would
welcome comments on.
Post by Deev
I see, so we use the jokes on Turks and Rashti's and ISfahani's and Sag Jews and najes this
and that as all Islamic qualities in Iran??
I think you have your answer. Wake up.
Jokes!!! (which FYI were mostly created and propagated by the British of the 19th century in
an attempt to create divisions in our society. But that's another story)
Despite these jokes, do you know of any Rashtis who were refused a job because they were
rashtis? Do you have any examples of Turks being refused membership to a club because they
were Turks? Have you ever seen a sign in a restaurant saying "No Jews Allowed"? Do our
prisons have a disproportionate population of any minorities, or najes? No, we don't. Our
"racism", if you want to call it that, is mainly limited to some jokes, some superstitions,
and other superficial things like that. Personally, I never even understood the meaning of
the word racism (nejAd parasti) until I came to the West. I look at Iranians coming to the
West now, and for the first few years they don't fully understand this word either (and it's
not because their English is weak).
Stat.
The best demonstration of true Islamic fraternity is the annual Haj in Mecca. People from
all races and walks of life gather in a single place in a spirit of brotherhood not
witnessed anywhere else. It is this same spirit of brotherhood in Islam that dispels all
these issues of color, race, etc. among Muslims. Do we have a racist attitude towards
Iranians with black skin or blue eyes? No. Do we have a racist attitude towards the many
different Iranian races? No. Why? Because Iran is a Muslim country who has raised itself
above these superficial issues. The West has a long way to go before getting caught up to
Muslim countries in these respects.
Stat.
My answer to you is that a Moslems, means one who submissive to the will of God. In that
sense everyone is Moslem.
This idea of universality or equality in Islam is the real reason many people embraced
Islam in Iran and other places.
What foolish people like you have done is used that verse to separate themselves from
others saying that they are better and different. This is the exact same thing that Jews
say when they say they are Gods Chosen. The exact same crap.
Post by Sirknight67
Like or not Deev, u're still my brother.
BTW, my answer to you to the question you asked to Mr Stat is that there is one Islam.
We'are all brothers. For your pleasure, I'm sunni and Shi'a are my brothers. These
divisions play well for the ennemies of Islam. Islam is ONE, Qur'an is ONE, and Allah is
ONE. Yourself, Mr Stat and my humble soul are all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) said one day while looking at Bilal (R):"Bilal is one of us". Bilal (R)
was a habashi (Ethiopian Black). Then the prophet (asws) looked at Suhaib Errumi from
Byzance and he said:" Suhaib is one of us". Lastly he looked at Selman the persian, war
strategist, behind the victory of ghazwat el'khunduq, and he said :"Suhaib is from us".
Black, romans, persians, arabs were all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) also said that there is difference in status between an arab and a
non-arab except by PIETY.
He also said:" You'll listen and obey even if your leader is a black from Ethiopia".
But the all beauty of Islam comes here. When it came to Muhammad's uncle, this what the
111. The Flame (Al-Lahab)
Revealed before the Hijrah. This chapter has 5 verses.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!
2. No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
3. Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
4. His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - as fuel!-
5. A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!
IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
All the above shows the universality of Islam. This is not an arab religion, it is a
MANKIND RELIGION. Meant to gather people from all quarter of the world to live in peace
and brotherhood.
If you want more, look for Malcolm X speech from Mecca. Malcolm expressed his deep
"I have eaten from the same plate,
drunk from the same glass while
praying to the same God with fellow
Muslims whose eyes were the bluest
of blue, whose hair was the blondest
of blond, and whose skin was the whitest
of white. And in the words and in the
actions and in the deeds of the 'white'
Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that
I felt among the black African Muslims
of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."
Malcolm X
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute and as far as me
embracing Islam , not while assholes like you represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick to Islam under a
ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under the algerian Junta? Under a
life-time president secularist, pro-feminist, jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least
played the hypiocrisy card with ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from enlightment,
prince of darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell invading your brain is makind you
think ONE-WAY as your little demon is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know how many times you
mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried
to dissasociate it from the religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
Deev
2005-07-28 16:23:24 UTC
Permalink
I think it is the art of survival of our culture.
I believe and this is based only on my conclusions, that the only way we
could have kept our culture alive was by being two faced,
Moslem/Mongol/Greek invaders had to see us as submissive and in our homes
we fought them and practiced our own traditions.

The same is true now, everyone hates the mullahs ( 99%) but we given them
lip service and attend the masjed. It has become part and parcel of our
national character.
Post by mandela
Post by Deev
The whole point that you made is jus the character flaw in Iranian society.
We don't say what we mean.
We tarof, and havea double face. We dont see the sign, but watch out, as
soon as they are out of the room, we say did you see that Ghoromsagh???
He was a ....
how true that is... i think it stems from the very closely nit family
system in iran.. more so than most other countries... perhaps the need to
do "gheibat" (ie talk behind peoples back and have a double face) in iran
is due to that.. an area that i have to think about but would welcome
comments on.
Post by Deev
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
I see, so we use the jokes on Turks and Rashti's and ISfahani's and Sag
Jews and najes this and that as all Islamic qualities in Iran??
I think you have your answer. Wake up.
Jokes!!! (which FYI were mostly created and propagated by the British of
the 19th century in an attempt to create divisions in our society. But
that's another story)
Despite these jokes, do you know of any Rashtis who were refused a job
because they were rashtis? Do you have any examples of Turks being
refused membership to a club because they were Turks? Have you ever seen
a sign in a restaurant saying "No Jews Allowed"? Do our prisons have a
disproportionate population of any minorities, or najes? No, we don't.
Our "racism", if you want to call it that, is mainly limited to some
jokes, some superstitions, and other superficial things like that.
Personally, I never even understood the meaning of the word racism
(nejAd parasti) until I came to the West. I look at Iranians coming to
the West now, and for the first few years they don't fully understand
this word either (and it's not because their English is weak).
Stat.
Post by Deev
Post by MonsieurStat
The best demonstration of true Islamic fraternity is the annual Haj in
Mecca. People from all races and walks of life gather in a single
place in a spirit of brotherhood not witnessed anywhere else. It is
this same spirit of brotherhood in Islam that dispels all these issues
of color, race, etc. among Muslims. Do we have a racist attitude
towards Iranians with black skin or blue eyes? No. Do we have a racist
attitude towards the many different Iranian races? No. Why? Because
Iran is a Muslim country who has raised itself above these superficial
issues. The West has a long way to go before getting caught up to
Muslim countries in these respects.
Stat.
Post by Deev
My answer to you is that a Moslems, means one who submissive to the
will of God. In that sense everyone is Moslem.
This idea of universality or equality in Islam is the real reason
many people embraced Islam in Iran and other places.
What foolish people like you have done is used that verse to separate
themselves from others saying that they are better and different.
This is the exact same thing that Jews say when they say they are
Gods Chosen. The exact same crap.
Post by Sirknight67
Like or not Deev, u're still my brother.
BTW, my answer to you to the question you asked to Mr Stat is that
there is one Islam. We'are all brothers. For your pleasure, I'm
sunni and Shi'a are my brothers. These divisions play well for the
ennemies of Islam. Islam is ONE, Qur'an is ONE, and Allah is ONE.
Yourself, Mr Stat and my humble soul are all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) said one day while looking at Bilal (R):"Bilal is
one of us". Bilal (R) was a habashi (Ethiopian Black). Then the
prophet (asws) looked at Suhaib Errumi from Byzance and he said:"
Suhaib is one of us". Lastly he looked at Selman the persian, war
strategist, behind the victory of ghazwat el'khunduq, and he said
:"Suhaib is from us". Black, romans, persians, arabs were all
brothers.
Muhammad (asws) also said that there is difference in status between
an arab and a non-arab except by PIETY.
He also said:" You'll listen and obey even if your leader is a black
from Ethiopia".
But the all beauty of Islam comes here. When it came to Muhammad's
111. The Flame (Al-Lahab)
Revealed before the Hijrah. This chapter has 5 verses.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!
2. No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
3. Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
4. His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - as fuel!-
5. A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!
IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
All the above shows the universality of Islam. This is not an arab
religion, it is a MANKIND RELIGION. Meant to gather people from all
quarter of the world to live in peace and brotherhood.
If you want more, look for Malcolm X speech from Mecca. Malcolm
"I have eaten from the same plate,
drunk from the same glass while
praying to the same God with fellow
Muslims whose eyes were the bluest
of blue, whose hair was the blondest
of blond, and whose skin was the whitest
of white. And in the words and in the
actions and in the deeds of the 'white'
Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that
I felt among the black African Muslims
of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."
Malcolm X
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute
and as far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you
represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth.
If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up
and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still
stick to Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak
rules? Under the algerian Junta? Under a life-time president
secularist, pro-feminist, jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least
played the hypiocrisy card with ata turk? Blood clotting blocking
you from enlightment, prince of darkness. ur heart is full of it,
the smell invading your brain is makind you think ONE-WAY as your
little demon is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know
how many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried
to assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from
the religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
Sirknight67
2005-07-28 18:02:00 UTC
Permalink
99% against the mullahs could overthrow them instantly. Why isn't this
happening?
Or you just overblow numbers at your "guise"!
Post by Deev
I think it is the art of survival of our culture.
I believe and this is based only on my conclusions, that the only way we
could have kept our culture alive was by being two faced,
Moslem/Mongol/Greek invaders had to see us as submissive and in our homes
we fought them and practiced our own traditions.
The same is true now, everyone hates the mullahs ( 99%) but we given them
lip service and attend the masjed. It has become part and parcel of our
national character.
Post by mandela
Post by Deev
The whole point that you made is jus the character flaw in Iranian society.
We don't say what we mean.
We tarof, and havea double face. We dont see the sign, but watch out, as
soon as they are out of the room, we say did you see that Ghoromsagh???
He was a ....
how true that is... i think it stems from the very closely nit family
system in iran.. more so than most other countries... perhaps the need to
do "gheibat" (ie talk behind peoples back and have a double face) in iran
is due to that.. an area that i have to think about but would welcome
comments on.
Post by Deev
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Deev
I see, so we use the jokes on Turks and Rashti's and ISfahani's and Sag
Jews and najes this and that as all Islamic qualities in Iran??
I think you have your answer. Wake up.
Jokes!!! (which FYI were mostly created and propagated by the British
of the 19th century in an attempt to create divisions in our society.
But that's another story)
Despite these jokes, do you know of any Rashtis who were refused a job
because they were rashtis? Do you have any examples of Turks being
refused membership to a club because they were Turks? Have you ever
seen a sign in a restaurant saying "No Jews Allowed"? Do our prisons
have a disproportionate population of any minorities, or najes? No, we
don't. Our "racism", if you want to call it that, is mainly limited to
some jokes, some superstitions, and other superficial things like that.
Personally, I never even understood the meaning of the word racism
(nejAd parasti) until I came to the West. I look at Iranians coming to
the West now, and for the first few years they don't fully understand
this word either (and it's not because their English is weak).
Stat.
Post by Deev
Post by MonsieurStat
The best demonstration of true Islamic fraternity is the annual Haj
in Mecca. People from all races and walks of life gather in a single
place in a spirit of brotherhood not witnessed anywhere else. It is
this same spirit of brotherhood in Islam that dispels all these
issues of color, race, etc. among Muslims. Do we have a racist
attitude towards Iranians with black skin or blue eyes? No. Do we
have a racist attitude towards the many different Iranian races? No.
Why? Because Iran is a Muslim country who has raised itself above
these superficial issues. The West has a long way to go before
getting caught up to Muslim countries in these respects.
Stat.
Post by Deev
My answer to you is that a Moslems, means one who submissive to the
will of God. In that sense everyone is Moslem.
This idea of universality or equality in Islam is the real reason
many people embraced Islam in Iran and other places.
What foolish people like you have done is used that verse to
separate themselves from others saying that they are better and
different. This is the exact same thing that Jews say when they say
they are Gods Chosen. The exact same crap.
Post by Sirknight67
Like or not Deev, u're still my brother.
BTW, my answer to you to the question you asked to Mr Stat is that
there is one Islam. We'are all brothers. For your pleasure, I'm
sunni and Shi'a are my brothers. These divisions play well for the
ennemies of Islam. Islam is ONE, Qur'an is ONE, and Allah is ONE.
Yourself, Mr Stat and my humble soul are all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) said one day while looking at Bilal (R):"Bilal is
one of us". Bilal (R) was a habashi (Ethiopian Black). Then the
prophet (asws) looked at Suhaib Errumi from Byzance and he said:"
Suhaib is one of us". Lastly he looked at Selman the persian, war
strategist, behind the victory of ghazwat el'khunduq, and he said
:"Suhaib is from us". Black, romans, persians, arabs were all
brothers.
Muhammad (asws) also said that there is difference in status
between an arab and a non-arab except by PIETY.
He also said:" You'll listen and obey even if your leader is a
black from Ethiopia".
But the all beauty of Islam comes here. When it came to Muhammad's
111. The Flame (Al-Lahab)
Revealed before the Hijrah. This chapter has 5 verses.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!
2. No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
3. Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
4. His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - as fuel!-
5. A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!
IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
All the above shows the universality of Islam. This is not an arab
religion, it is a MANKIND RELIGION. Meant to gather people from all
quarter of the world to live in peace and brotherhood.
If you want more, look for Malcolm X speech from Mecca. Malcolm
"I have eaten from the same plate,
drunk from the same glass while
praying to the same God with fellow
Muslims whose eyes were the bluest
of blue, whose hair was the blondest
of blond, and whose skin was the whitest
of white. And in the words and in the
actions and in the deeds of the 'white'
Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that
I felt among the black African Muslims
of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."
Malcolm X
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute
and as far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you
represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on
earth. If you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up
and listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still
stick to Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak
rules? Under the algerian Junta? Under a life-time president
secularist, pro-feminist, jew-bower bourguiba? They could at
least played the hypiocrisy card with ata turk? Blood clotting
blocking you from enlightment, prince of darkness. ur heart is
full of it, the smell invading your brain is makind you think
ONE-WAY as your little demon is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you
know how many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you
tried to assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it
from the religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
sirknight67
2005-07-28 19:34:16 UTC
Permalink
YOU MOTHERFUCKER, I TOLD YOU NOT TO FORGE MY ID, THIS WAS THE FINAL
WARNING. YOU ARE TRULY FUCKED NOW. PREPARE TO SEE THE NEW MEANING OF
FLOOD
Joubin Houshyar
2005-08-07 03:53:29 UTC
Permalink
Outward compliance and overlooking of 'eib' promotes overall harmony in
an inter-dependent collective; private 'clique' critique allows for the
venting of psychological pressures of the collective on the individual
members.

(Writ large this perhaps also manifests itself as 'Jokes' against this
or that sub-set of the Iranian Family.)

One assumes that the above initial (healthy) cultural view decayed over
the centuries to outright duplicity, which is what is practiced today.


(It is one of the most annoying things about Iranians in the opinion of
this Iranian.)

Another element is clearly the Iranian affinity for hierarchies and
pecking orders; it will not do -- i.e. it is not 'Proper' -- to openly
challenge the alpha members; better that such matters are 'aired'
within a 'trusted' inner circle.

The effect of having been a repeatedly conquered Nation on the Iranian
Psyche is likely an erosion of 'Confidence' in the all too critical
alpha members. I do not see the psychological response as being
'survivalist' -- in the sense of kowtowing to foreign masters -- but
rather 'therapeutic' -- in the sense of helping to maintain a sense of
'Superiority' in designated/assigned alpha members of the
(injured/subdued) collective/family as a collective support mechanism.

You will note that the Chinese share both of the above affinities:
Harmonious Collectives and Rigid Social Order. The Chinese further
share the sense of 'wounded pride' of a self-perceived 'Superior
People' who nevertheless have been subject of 'barbarian tribes'. I
would not be surprised at all to find that the phenomena under
discussion is also prevalent in Chinese society. (In fact, if true,
that would be a sort of soft proof of the assertions of this post.)

In any event:

A little poison is medicine; Too much a cause for death.

Regrettably we have crossed that line, in course of the decay of the
previous generations, and have arrived at this point: outright
duplicity and abandonment of self-critique in favor of pervasive
negation of the 'other'.

But the fact of this very discussion -- we recognize it as a 'problem'
-- is a clear Sign that the overall organism (i.e. Iranians) is both
vital (it is seeking 'health') and ascendant (it is seeking the
'central stance' and 'correct balance' of Ta'a'Rof and Ee'Raad).

Finally, one should not fail to recognize the clearly positive
contribution of Western guests and molesters of Iran in this
re-Awakening. We do not and have not treated the Western 'visitors' as
we treated the Arabs and Monghols. (I'm not so sure how the Greek
invaders were perceived.) I.e.: We *clearly* do not think the modern
Western Man as inferior to us; our Critique of the West is entirely a
matter of 'Priorities'. This perception/recognition greatly contributes
to the critique of the un-Balanced Ta'a'Rof.

(Note that to compensate for this 'recognition' of the character of the
Westerners, the 'therapeutic' assertion of *Collective* 'Moral
Superiority' of Iranians to 'Westerners' kicks in to balance the
picture, again as excpected. We are, after all, a Great Nation :))

/wa Salaam!
mandela
2005-08-07 04:49:00 UTC
Permalink
great insight and informative post... well said i will re-read your post to get a better grip
of your view, which as it stands makes great sense andseems logical.

one point about the Chinese. i lived with Chinese for some three years and never once did i hear
them say anything to anyone except their own about the affairs of other Chinese. so at least the
Chinese keep the duplicity within the framework of their own society ( as far as i know that
is )

thanks joubin
Post by Joubin Houshyar
Outward compliance and overlooking of 'eib' promotes overall harmony in
an inter-dependent collective; private 'clique' critique allows for the
venting of psychological pressures of the collective on the individual
members.
(Writ large this perhaps also manifests itself as 'Jokes' against this
or that sub-set of the Iranian Family.)
One assumes that the above initial (healthy) cultural view decayed over
the centuries to outright duplicity, which is what is practiced today.
(It is one of the most annoying things about Iranians in the opinion of
this Iranian.)
Another element is clearly the Iranian affinity for hierarchies and
pecking orders; it will not do -- i.e. it is not 'Proper' -- to openly
challenge the alpha members; better that such matters are 'aired'
within a 'trusted' inner circle.
The effect of having been a repeatedly conquered Nation on the Iranian
Psyche is likely an erosion of 'Confidence' in the all too critical
alpha members. I do not see the psychological response as being
'survivalist' -- in the sense of kowtowing to foreign masters -- but
rather 'therapeutic' -- in the sense of helping to maintain a sense of
'Superiority' in designated/assigned alpha members of the
(injured/subdued) collective/family as a collective support mechanism.
Harmonious Collectives and Rigid Social Order. The Chinese further
share the sense of 'wounded pride' of a self-perceived 'Superior
People' who nevertheless have been subject of 'barbarian tribes'. I
would not be surprised at all to find that the phenomena under
discussion is also prevalent in Chinese society. (In fact, if true,
that would be a sort of soft proof of the assertions of this post.)
A little poison is medicine; Too much a cause for death.
Regrettably we have crossed that line, in course of the decay of the
previous generations, and have arrived at this point: outright
duplicity and abandonment of self-critique in favor of pervasive
negation of the 'other'.
But the fact of this very discussion -- we recognize it as a 'problem'
-- is a clear Sign that the overall organism (i.e. Iranians) is both
vital (it is seeking 'health') and ascendant (it is seeking the
'central stance' and 'correct balance' of Ta'a'Rof and Ee'Raad).
Finally, one should not fail to recognize the clearly positive
contribution of Western guests and molesters of Iran in this
re-Awakening. We do not and have not treated the Western 'visitors' as
we treated the Arabs and Monghols. (I'm not so sure how the Greek
invaders were perceived.) I.e.: We *clearly* do not think the modern
Western Man as inferior to us; our Critique of the West is entirely a
matter of 'Priorities'. This perception/recognition greatly contributes
to the critique of the un-Balanced Ta'a'Rof.
(Note that to compensate for this 'recognition' of the character of the
Westerners, the 'therapeutic' assertion of *Collective* 'Moral
Superiority' of Iranians to 'Westerners' kicks in to balance the
picture, again as excpected. We are, after all, a Great Nation :))
/wa Salaam!
Joubin Houshyar
2005-08-07 19:08:47 UTC
Permalink
Salaam!

Well, thank you Aghaa and you are welcome. (Are you just being
ta'a'rofee with me here :)))

p.s. further review indicates my 'Joke' notion was wrong -- doesn't
fit. I'd strike that.

/wa Salaam!
mandela
2005-08-08 04:19:04 UTC
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maybe a little but how can one be Iranian with out taarof? and isn't taarof a delicate form of
social protocol?
Post by Joubin Houshyar
Salaam!
Well, thank you Aghaa and you are welcome. (Are you just being
ta'a'rofee with me here :)))
p.s. further review indicates my 'Joke' notion was wrong -- doesn't
fit. I'd strike that.
/wa Salaam!
mash_ghasem
2005-08-07 02:33:40 UTC
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Post by Deev
I see, so we use the jokes on Turks and Rashti's and ISfahani's and Sag
Jews and najes this and that as all Islamic qualities in Iran??
I think you have your answer. Wake up.
Jokes!!! (which FYI were mostly created and propagated by the British of the
19th century in an attempt to create divisions in our society. But that's
another story)
Wasn't this bache kooni hypocrite mullah sefat preaching against
JOKES!!!?

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Re: Iran sends in troops to crush border unrest
Post by MonsieurStat
This Rashtee guy goes to the "Who wants to be a millionaire?" game show. The
host asks the first question: "When you are having sex with your wife, how
long does it take her to be sexually satisfied; 5, 15, 30, or 45 minutes?"
He thinks for a while then tells the host: "I would like to ask the
audience."
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Anyway beh torkeh migan yeh jomleh besAz toosh kir bAsheh. migeh,
kose naneyeh Stat.
Post by MonsieurStat
Despite these jokes, do you know of any Rashtis who were refused a job
because they were rashtis? Do you have any examples of Turks being refused
membership to a club because they were Turks? Have you ever seen a sign in a
restaurant saying "No Jews Allowed"? Do our prisons have a disproportionate
population of any minorities, or najes? No, we don't. Our "racism", if you
want to call it that, is mainly limited to some jokes, some superstitions,
and other superficial things like that. Personally, I never even understood
the meaning of the word racism (nejAd parasti) until I came to the West. I
look at Iranians coming to the West now, and for the first few years they
don't fully understand this word either (and it's not because their English
is weak).
Stat.
Post by Deev
Post by MonsieurStat
The best demonstration of true Islamic fraternity is the annual Haj in
Mecca. People from all races and walks of life gather in a single place
in a spirit of brotherhood not witnessed anywhere else. It is this same
spirit of brotherhood in Islam that dispels all these issues of color,
race, etc. among Muslims. Do we have a racist attitude towards Iranians
with black skin or blue eyes? No. Do we have a racist attitude towards
the many different Iranian races? No. Why? Because Iran is a Muslim
country who has raised itself above these superficial issues. The West
has a long way to go before getting caught up to Muslim countries in
these respects.
Stat.
Post by Deev
My answer to you is that a Moslems, means one who submissive to the will
of God. In that sense everyone is Moslem.
This idea of universality or equality in Islam is the real reason many
people embraced Islam in Iran and other places.
What foolish people like you have done is used that verse to separate
themselves from others saying that they are better and different. This
is the exact same thing that Jews say when they say they are Gods
Chosen. The exact same crap.
Post by Sirknight67
Like or not Deev, u're still my brother.
BTW, my answer to you to the question you asked to Mr Stat is that
there is one Islam. We'are all brothers. For your pleasure, I'm sunni
and Shi'a are my brothers. These divisions play well for the ennemies
of Islam. Islam is ONE, Qur'an is ONE, and Allah is ONE. Yourself, Mr
Stat and my humble soul are all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) said one day while looking at Bilal (R):"Bilal is one
of us". Bilal (R) was a habashi (Ethiopian Black). Then the prophet
(asws) looked at Suhaib Errumi from Byzance and he said:" Suhaib is one
of us". Lastly he looked at Selman the persian, war strategist, behind
the victory of ghazwat el'khunduq, and he said :"Suhaib is from us".
Black, romans, persians, arabs were all brothers.
Muhammad (asws) also said that there is difference in status between an
arab and a non-arab except by PIETY.
He also said:" You'll listen and obey even if your leader is a black
from Ethiopia".
But the all beauty of Islam comes here. When it came to Muhammad's
111. The Flame (Al-Lahab)
Revealed before the Hijrah. This chapter has 5 verses.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he!
2. No profit to him from all his wealth, and all his gains!
3. Burnt soon will he be in a Fire of Blazing Flame!
4. His wife shall carry the (crackling) wood - as fuel!-
5. A twisted rope of palm-leaf fiber round her (own) neck!
IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS NOT ONE OF US.
All the above shows the universality of Islam. This is not an arab
religion, it is a MANKIND RELIGION. Meant to gather people from all
quarter of the world to live in peace and brotherhood.
If you want more, look for Malcolm X speech from Mecca. Malcolm
"I have eaten from the same plate,
drunk from the same glass while
praying to the same God with fellow
Muslims whose eyes were the bluest
of blue, whose hair was the blondest
of blond, and whose skin was the whitest
of white. And in the words and in the
actions and in the deeds of the 'white'
Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that
I felt among the black African Muslims
of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana."
Malcolm X
Post by Deev
Asswipe, get lost unless you have something positive to contribute and
as far as me embracing Islam , not while assholes like you represent it.
Post by Sirknight67
Post by Sirknight67
You talking about your keer?>
No, but when it's time for you to suck on it like a good BITCH, you
will be notified. In the meantime back to your cage MADAR JENDEH
zer nazan amoo.
Islam is the only way out of this mess we have created on earth. If
you have
a better solution, put it on the table. Otherwise, just shut up and
listen.
You might actually learn something for a change.
Stat.
You just said it, WE have created it, in other words, God had nothing
to do wtih it. Now my dick is getting hard again, tell your whore mom
to come suck it again that filthy lazy slut
No valid argument, u're resorting as always to insults.
Deev was right partly, think about it, why would muslims still stick
to Islam under a ruler like islam karimov? Under Mubarak rules? Under
the algerian Junta? Under a life-time president secularist,
pro-feminist, jew-bower bourguiba? They could at least played the
hypiocrisy card with ata turk? Blood clotting blocking you from
enlightment, prince of darkness. ur heart is full of it, the smell
invading your brain is makind you think ONE-WAY as your little demon
is dictating you like a marionette.
u tried to convince him that Islam has nothing DIVINE. Do you know
how many times you mentioned the word DIVINE? In fact, you tried to
assassinate the word DIVINE. u tried to dissasociate it from the
religion of Islam. YOU FAILED MISERABLY.
i'm watching this thread
Now here is one for you : Could Deev re-embrace Islam again?
sirknight67
2005-07-27 20:01:29 UTC
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SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO BRING SOME TOWELS TO YOUR WHORE MOTHER IN HER
ISRAELI BROTHEL
ªk½ü¤jªk¦n
2005-07-28 00:44:19 UTC
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Post by sirknight67
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO BRING SOME TOWELS TO YOUR WHORE MOTHER IN HER
ISRAELI BROTHEL
Ardalan Keykavoussi set an example for human filth

Non-Muslims as the above incapable of discussing in a rational
reasonable manner.

Each time they lose an argument (which is ALWAYS), they resort to
parotting irrelevant filthy, nasty words or impersonating Muslims ID
online.

I bet you are completly unable to express yourself without insults,
hate, slander, profanity, lies, hypocrisy and forgeries.
Deev
2005-07-27 15:33:56 UTC
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Did I mention your name anywhere?
Post by MonsieurStat
You talking about your keer?
MonsieurStat
2005-07-27 04:36:34 UTC
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Post by Sirknight67
Deev jan
You couldn't be further away from the truth. I am surprised that you, a
former muslim and now a practitioner of Bahaism would say something
like this.
If you are surprised by this, wait until he inserts his big fat Bahai cock
up your Zartoshti ass. You gonna see lights my man that you ain't seen even
when you were working in Shahre-no. LOLOLOL
Stat.
Deev
2005-07-27 15:43:56 UTC
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This gay stuff is the domain of Bache Akhoonds like yourself and your
friends. Sir is not like you little Chicken shit.

Stick your dick in your camel.
Post by MonsieurStat
Post by Sirknight67
Deev jan
You couldn't be further away from the truth. I am surprised that you, a
former muslim and now a practitioner of Bahaism would say something
like this.
If you are surprised by this, wait until he inserts his big fat Bahai cock
up your Zartoshti ass. You gonna see lights my man that you ain't seen
even when you were working in Shahre-no. LOLOLOL
Stat.
MonsieurStat
2005-07-28 01:14:00 UTC
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Post by Deev
Sir is not like you
You got that right. Sirky is a bache kooni with illusions of grandiose. He
still thinks that the Shah will return to reestablish his dictatorship, and
will invite him to be a vazeer or something. To his credit, even the Shah
wasn't such a fool.
Stat.
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